Trick wrote:can’t se the OP vid but found this guy on the Chinese tubes. He’s got a very nice Shotokan way, spiced with his”own?” Interpretations. ...
Interloper wrote:RE: the videos in the OP... He's a good teacher! And, he's got a really nice, solid external structure and movement, and great maintaining of alignment. It's not internal in the sense of "internal martial arts," however, as he is using conventional bracing and musculature tensing to maintain structure, and propelling himself by large outer muscle groups. Also, his use of intent is different than that of an internal methodology's interpretation, which is to spark and drive the initiation of the specific musculature and dynamic-tension processes that generate internal power. The karate-ka uses intent to focus and draw his attention to a specific direction and extension of movement, and to draw his body in that direction. Perfectly valid, an useful in the context it is being applied, but not "internal." Still external Shotokan.
While I agree that for example the “six harmonies” is not(obviously)taught in Shotokan Karate, at least I was not taught such and similar during my years in that style. But for sure after long and dedicated practice the “external” structure deepens one could almost say internalizes.....Now after almost 30 years of(lazily) Taijiquan and Xingyiquan practice i still now and then re-examine the exercises of Shotokan but with ideas from for example XYQ and Tongbeiquan. Maybe it’s just somehow my wishful thinking but I see them there in Karate the internal aspects.
Bao wrote:While I agree that for example the “six harmonies” is not(obviously)taught in Shotokan Karate, at least I was not taught such and similar during my years in that style. But for sure after long and dedicated practice the “external” structure deepens one could almost say internalizes.....Now after almost 30 years of(lazily) Taijiquan and Xingyiquan practice i still now and then re-examine the exercises of Shotokan but with ideas from for example XYQ and Tongbeiquan. Maybe it’s just somehow my wishful thinking but I see them there in Karate the internal aspects.
The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal. Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal.
What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good.
Bao wrote:The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal.
a point of contention, not for this thread
Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal. qi, yi yet to be defined. Jin, at most it can be said to be an expression of type of force.
What distinction do you use to determine if the "jin" is internal or not.
What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good.
It is the ability to rapidly dump power into the target which is ‘kime’.”
Or how about:
“the point is you accelerate into the target and you kime focuses the energy inside [the target] rather than through. Very difficult to explain in words […]”
Or:
marvin8 wrote:Karate has their way of developing internal Ki:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXySSGkbqG0
Bao wrote:The six connections in IMA means connecting and bridging the internal to the external. The external connections only does not make anything internal. Qi needs to be there guided by yi and expressed through jin. The three external connections is what bridges the internal and the jin, but in the internal arts, jin is not the expression of the external. Jin is the external expression of the internal.
What I can see in the Karate vid is good body coordination and good use of the body, but it's something created by external connection. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, I like this guy, he is good.
Interloper wrote:
They are using two very different sets of processes just the same -- the external person using more refined external movement; the internal person using more refined internal movement.
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