windwalker wrote:I would suggest go back and look at the video the clinch being demoed is not the same clinch that was applied to the chen teacher.
In the clip with the chen teacher the one using the clinch was not applying a downward Force that he could borrow or slip out of.
jaime_g wrote:marvin8 wrote:You might follow your own suggestion. Because, it is the same clinch.
No, it's not. Completely different clinchs. In fact, calling "that" a clinch would be extremely generous, neither Gullette nor his partner were doing anything remotely similar to a proper clinch
The following videos are the same in that they all show "clinches" with head pulling down at certain points. The first two have the same clincher, William Miller, pulling down on the head.
Head pulling down at: before the video starts, :03, :16, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2_HnOlhaWE
William Miller
September 8 at 6:54 PM
William Miller states in the video, "Secondly, I draw him down,” while pulling the head down:
https://www.facebook.com/william.miller.399826/videos/10156478857007570/?t=8
Ken Gullette on September 14, 2018 wrote:Can Tai Chi, Xingyi or Bagua be used against a grappler?
A lot of macho types say no, but that's because they do not understand the internal martial arts. . . .
But sometimes, you use body mechanics to take advantage of your opponent's force or to break his structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1aGEWyZz0k
How do you see the above 3 videos, "Completely different clinchs?"