GrahamB wrote:I'm still waiting for you to give an actual "how to"
GrahamB wrote:My, that's a cute story. Unfortunately,
my qi began to flow,
means you don't actually know anything I would want to learn from you.
I'm sure you'll find a minion one day who will eagerly pay you $50,000. Good luck.
You didn't read my post and you didn't understand it. On top of that you're a liar. You probably thought you were being cute, or trying to draw out a conversation. But from other perspectives it can look like a form of moral degradation. It seems you politely ask for information then shut people down when they try to help you. There's more, but I will say it to other people below.
Trick wrote:I’ll give it for 35k US$
....Joking, I think I get the essence of what Appledog is saying...maybe
I don't think he would buy it for $35k US, he doesn't even actually value the concept itself. But, my response to Bao contains more.
Bao wrote:The thing is if you are not willing to value it at this level (at a minimum) I seriously and honestly have to ask you, what is this to you anyways? Just a hobby? A curiosity? How far do you want to go here and for what purpose?
You are sincerely misguided. If you go out with this attitude that you can buy knowledge, you will never get what you want.
Most of the old "Masters" didn't ask for anything. They just wanted to see that you were dedicated to the art and how you wanted to show your gratitude In the old days, asking for money was a very bad thing, it was just something you didn't do. If you stayed at a teacher's home, you would pay by helping out in the house, cleaning, buy food and maybe other things for the house. But you would never hear them ask for anything. If you didn't show gratitude and understand the value of what they taught they would just throw you out and that's the end of it. Even today, the most skilled and generous teachers you can find will ask for very little if anything at all. But they can be hard to find.
However there is a shorter way. Collect around $50,000 and give me a message
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Lol! Trying to fetch people that want to take a short cut. Words of a scoundrel.
No,
you are sincerely misguided. Allow me to explain (no point explaining it to Graham, he isn't paying attention).
There is no mind, no mind, no mind and no mind. There is no mind, meaning brainless. There is no mind meaning someone who is contradictory and negative. There is no mind meaning someone who doesn't care and there is no mind meaning a mind which has no thoughts. Each one of these is a kind of poison but if you get past them all then you have a sort of no mind which is like going with the flow, most easily framed as a taoist concept but sometimes called a lack of attachment in buddhism.
In my post I said, among other things,
Appledog wrote:Hint: I am not asking for money I am trying to express to you the time-and-life value you will need to sacrifice to even begin learning this stuff. $50,000 is probably cheap, over one's lifetime.
I also mentioned this would count mainly as a tuition fee. Let's break that down. At $20/hr instruction time, that is maybe 2 years of 2 hours a day instruction and 2-6 hrs additional practice time and food and boarding. I think that would be pretty fair, actually, for a 2 year package. The issue is if someone is willing to enter that kind of program I.E. if they are willing to devote the
time and energy in lieu of their normal life, i.e. if they are willing to undertake the opportunity cost of doing such a thing.
grahamB is not, on several levels, and is apparently not even interested in the concept. Putting a $ value on the entire thing and asking him to pay it underscores and underlines this point. He doesn't understand, he doesn't understand, he doesn't understand, he doesn't want to understand, and he will never understand. The matter has been decided for him; you cannot do it alone, you need someone to instruct you, and just as you have said, the master doesn't want money per-se he will make a decision based on other factors.
The decision has basically already been made; you don't have to ask me if it is true or not. I'm not really involved.
As I said:
From here I guess we could continue by discussing, how badly do you want this stuff, or have you already given up and decided to go down some other road?Don't you think this question has already been answered? So why was it asked? Did anything need to be said here at all?