GrahamB wrote:That’s one of the better Mizner demos I’ve seen - at least the guy is not hopping around like he’s been electrocuted.
What he’s demonstrating of course is Jin using the ground - and as always he’s not actually explaining how to do what he’s doing. They’ll never get it from that explanation.
oragami_itto wrote:Adam in particular will tell you that it's not about off balancing, it's about seizing.
Damo Mitchell, 4 years ago wrote:Hua or ‘neutralising’ is the ability to take your opponents force and change it into something powerless. In the early stages of training in Tui Shou you will learn how to turn your waist and rotate your body so that the push is directed away from your core. This is the absolute beginning of the process of learning Hua as it is based on large mechanical movements. Going deeper, you are able to neutralise with little or no movement and then deeper still and your neutralisation can take place before the opponents push has even started. Hua should be taking place as soon as you make contact with your opponent. If you ever have the chance to practice Tui Shou with a real master you will find that as soon as you make contact with them you can hardly move at all. Every single movement you try to make is neutralised before it begins to manifest and you are basically rooted to the ground. You cannot move your arms or even move away from the master as they are using Hua to foil everything that you do. Experiencing this is the only way to ever really understand Hua. Hua relies on being able to effectively practice both Ting and Dong first.
Austin Baraki, MD on March 02, 2016 wrote:What is Balance?
Balance can be defined as the ability to maintain one’s center of mass vertically over the base of support, with minimal postural sway. Let’s break this definition down a bit to make sure everything is crystal clear.
The “center of mass” (CoM) is a reference point representing the “averaged” mass of an object or person in space. In other words, if I were to take your body mass distribution in its current position and represent it as a single point, this would be your center of mass. For most humans of average anthropometry standing in anatomical position, this point lies somewhere within the pelvis, typically just in front of the sacrum.
It should be noted that the center of mass is not a static point; it can “move” depending on the shape or position of the body, or by the addition of external load to the system. For example, a pregnant woman’s growing belly causes a significant change in her body’s mass distribution, moving the center of mass slightly forward relative to the non-pregnant state. She therefore must create a slight lordosis by leaning back in order to maintain the proper balance relationship and not tip over. This happens “automatically” without conscious thought, due to a few mechanisms I’ll discuss shortly. Similarly, during a squat or while sprinting, your center of mass moves forward and “outside” your body as your hips move back and the changing orientation of your limbs and torso reconfigure the position of your averaged mass.
The other defining component of the balance relationship is the base of support. When standing upright, this is located at the mid-foot, although it can vary with movement as well. For those of us standing on Earth where gravity always operates vertically downwards, we are by definition “in balance” when the center of mass lies directly vertically over this point. You intuitively know this, and subconsciously default to this position for most of your day-to-day activities because it requires the least amount of effort to maintain with minimal postural sway.
So for instance, First we should know what we want to achieve. I want to offbalance and finish in that moment in some way ... ok ... now how do i do that. The next question and for a New thread.
oragami_itto wrote:GrahamB wrote: - and as always he’s not actually explaining how to do what he’s doing. They’ll never get it from that explanation.
The free stuff on YouTube is advertising. The stuff you pay for is all detailed specific instruction. Good business model
"What is the method that makes it possible to entice the opponent to enter, cause him to fall into emptiness, unite with him and then throw him out? For that matter, what separates Tai Ji Quan (or the internal/soft style) techniques from all other types of techniques? The answer lies in one underlying skill; namely, the ability to “stick adhere, continue and follow” [Zhan, nien, lian, sui]. Stick and Adhere refer to connecting with the opponent in a soft and nonconfrontational manner and maintaining this connection as you both move (blocking an opponent’s incoming force inevitably results in the opponent being knocked away. This makes it impossible to join with the opponent and one is doomed to remaining double weighted). Continue and Follow refer to “giving up oneself and following the other” by continuously following the opponent’s movement and changes in order to maintain your connection. In this Situation, you may constantly monitor the opponent’s actions and intent while seeking the time and opportunity to join with and lead his center, thereby bringing him under your control.
One may ask, “what exactly are we sticking to and following?” Do we stick to the opponent’s arms? His torso? The answer is we stick to the opponent’s center of gravity (his pelvic region). In Tai Ji Quan technique this is rarely achieved by direct contact (a useful example to help understand the concept of sticking to and controlling an opponent’s center is the wrestler, who routinely sticks to his opponent’s center directly, as when applying the popular bear hug). Most often, the Tai Ji Quan fighter will seek to stick to and control the opponent’s center through contact with his arms and/or upper torso, using these regions as handles to the opponent’s center. In order to maintain control of the opponent’s center, the point of contact with the opponent will often change in the course of an exchange. The ability to stick, follow and control an opponent’s center in the midst of motion is cultivated in the various push hands drills found in all styles of Tai Ji Quan.
The Techniques of Tai Ji Quan are primarily grappling oriented. Although practitioners are trained to strike with all parts of the body, purely percussive techniques (strikes designed to cause local tissue damage) are far less common than the grappling oriented techniques which include pushing, pulling, twisting, sweeping, locking, throwing and knocking. Techniques such as these are designed to control the opponent’s center and displace him in space." - Tim Cartmell
oragami_itto wrote:Adam in particular will tell you that it's not about off balancing, it's about seizing.
Adam Mizner on Feb 17, 2015 wrote:It is not me trying to trick your balance. . . . This is external tai chi practice. . . . If we have to trick their balance, this is counterfeit tai chi. Genuine tai chi—the jin will overcome their li, even if they are perfectly balanced:
Adam in particular will tell you that it's not about off balancing, it's about seizing.
middleway wrote:What their approach to the problem is. I also think, for someone who is clear with their approach, this should be able to be put into one short sentence. Not for the sake of fun, brevity, or 'being clever', but for the sake of clarify. . . .
When you spar or do applications, the question you can ask of yourself is, 'Did i offbalance before i applied my attack?' . . .
"To offbalance the opponent such that they must recover before being able to mount an offence, and in that moment applying a fight ending attack, either via KO or destruction of joints."
. . . Note: my definition of off balance and your own may differ.
marvin8 wrote:Excerpt from "'Balance' Training," https://startingstrength.com/article/balance_trainingAustin Baraki, MD on March 02, 2016 wrote:What is Balance?
Balance can be defined as the ability to maintain one’s center of mass vertically over the base of support, with minimal postural sway.
middleway wrote:John Wang who commented earlier in the thread is one of Chang dong shens disciples I believe. Truly an amazing individual by pretty much all accounts.Adam in particular will tell you that it's not about off balancing, it's about seizing.
Seize, verb
1. Take hold of suddenly and forcibly.
2. Take (an opportunity) eagerly and decisively.
This is part of the process of offbalancing. I have not seen anything from Adam where he isn't offbalancing his opponent.
Note: my definition of off balance and your own may differ.
Interesting ideas presented.
Thanks all.
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