C.J.W. wrote:Bagua is a principle-based system that can be expressed in any number of ways to one's own liking and aptitude. This "compatibility" is what drew accomplished martial artists from other styles to become Dong Haichuan's disciples in order to learn his art, as they could incorporate what they'd already practiced into Bagua to create more effective versions of their original styles with enhanced power and mobility. It's also why today we see so many variations in Bagua when it comes to forms and applications.
C.J.W. wrote:Certainly not the worst Bagua app clip I've seen. He has decent mobility and some good moves, and I think it's fair to say what he has shown is better than those demos where the teacher applies techniques on an oppoenent who stands still with an arm out.
windwalker wrote:edited: for clarity
I like this teachers work, it reminds me of white crane/hop gar
He talks in a way that makes sense and has the ring of experience behind it.
Don't know if what he does would be considered as an example of what might be called
classical bagaua
Notice he talks about foot work, parrying and angles
"finish the fight with out parrying"
exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAIR1Fp2iM
This is false. Most combat arts use different timings and angles (as shown).
C.J.W. wrote:Personally, I think it's hard to draw the line between striking and grappling (throwing) in Bagua. In my line of Bagua, just about every application is a blend of both. (Ideally, elements of kicking and locking should also be included in every technique in order to complete the 4 skills of TCMA.) So instead of looking at this as a dichotomy (i.e., striking OR throwing), I prefer to think of it as being on a spectrum, with each technique containing varying degrees of both.
For instance, when I step forward and throw a piercing palm to the opponent's eyes, it is simply a strike. But if I step on or behind his foot to trap or trip him as I strike, he may fall down, turning the strike into a strike-throw.
On the other hand, if I've gotten a hold of the opponent in preparation for a common O-soto-gari type foot-sweep, I may elbow strike him in the chest or the temple as my leg sweeps backward to execute the throw. Since the intention here is more about throwing, I'd call this a throw-strike.
Bagua is a principle-based system that can be expressed in any number of ways to one's own liking and aptitude. This "compatibility" is what drew accomplished martial artists from other styles to become Dong Haichuan's disciples in order to learn his art, as they could incorporate what they'd already practiced into Bagua to create more effective versions of their original styles with enhanced power and mobility. It's also why today we see so many variations in Bagua when it comes to forms and applications.
windwalker wrote:This is false. Most combat arts use different timings and angles (as shown).
Are you saying his experience doesn't count which he is speaking from?
Is it false because you dont agree with it?..
You might want to check out his back ground...
He gave his rational based on his experience and training....
I like his work, and agree with many of his observations.
windwalker wrote:Boxers do not have to contend with a lot of things that those who teach MA do.
I mention boxers, having used hop gar against those that said they boxed
a long time ago. To make it fair I would agree not to kick them....
Boxing is the standard I use to view things from a striking point of view.
Kicking is another matter....something that boxers do not have to contend with.
windwalker wrote:No comments on the OP clip?
At 3:51, “It is different from modern combat arts, which passively waits for the opponents to strike."
based on his experience
This is false. Most combat arts use different timings and angles (as shown).
based on yours
marvin8 wrote:If you do not believe that most combat arts use timing and angles, you're welcome to explain why.
windwalker wrote:marvin8 wrote:At 3:51, “It is different from modern combat arts, which passively waits for the opponents to strike."
based on his experience
This is false. Most combat arts use different timings and angles (as shown).
based on yours
I like his work....understand what he's trying to express thats been translated.
Agree with much of what he's said based on my experience.
marvin8 wrote:"Based on your experience" which combat arts do not use angles?
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