This is about the old, ‘Skipping through the woods is equal to/ not equal to real tai chi’ debate, from roughly 2003?
middleway wrote:For instance, do you look at old published scientific studies that are now outdated or proven false, and hold the scientists who wrote them to those old studies? That viewpoint is truly ridiculous under scrutiny
middleway wrote:Opinions change. You see it as a problem while most of the world see it as something very different ....'growth'. My current opinions and viewpoints are they are born out of training, experience, hands on contact with experts who's feel I then tried to understand, and self research. If someone were to spend 15 years with that approach your damn right their opinions should change. If I have arrived at similar opinions to you it's coincidental
middleway wrote:And finally... This chip on your shoulder seems to be a real bug bear for you. You keep posting on threads i start with snide remarks about the past
middleway wrote:Your genuinely wasting your energy and time being pissed off
I didn't spend 5 hours writing, deleting, reposting and editing this reply. You have me confused with someone else again.
Regards what was said about BJJ in the OP; I would argue that dominating the opponent is not the the founders style of BJJ, survival was the strategic basis. As presented in the intro of Saulo Riberos' University of B. Ju jutsu book.
What struck me the most about that is how similarly it can be viewed in comparison to Yang Lu Chans mythical 'invincibility'. Survival means not being beaten ('losing') in the end of the day. If you forget about "winning" and can survive any encounter intact you remain and are, for all intents and purposes 'invincible'.
Is first to be master of escaping or evading every bad position and or technique, than it would be to consistently master arriving in the dominant position.
More important or primary to Enzo's strategy, as I read it; Is first to be master of escaping or evading every bad position and or technique, than it would be to consistently master arriving in the dominant position.
D_Glenn wrote: Is this about the old, ‘Skipping through the woods is equal to/ not equal to real tai chi’ debate, from roughly 2003?
D_Glenn wrote:Wouldn’t that be ‘leading into emptiness’?
Leading is not quite the right translation though.
I thought of something- when you’re playing/ teasing a cat with some toy on the end of the string, at first you let him tap it, feel it, he will casually chase it a little bit, but then you can see that he’s getting frustrated and that he’s building/ gathering up energy to make a fast lunge at it. If your timing is right then he totally comes up empty.
That’s kind of what leading into emptiness is. Only in a real assault there might not be any tapping, just the lunge, which is why it’s considered a high level/ advanced strategy to employ.
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windwalker wrote:oragami_itto wrote:I feel like I'm rambling and repeating myself at this point.
Illustrates some of the points you mentioned
demos transitions from basic push hands to usage showing different strategies for entering
and bridging commonly found in taiji....applied.
https://youtu.be/bYFcUxep9TEIn this English-subtitled teaching video, Guo Shifu explains and demonstrates several important fighting concepts, namely,
1. hu zhong xin - guarding the centre
2. da qian - attacking the beginning,
3. wen jin - asking for force,
4. bi shi ji xü - avoiding the substantial and attacking the empty,
5. fa jin - generating power,
and
6. gun dong - rolling
oragami_itto wrote:windwalker wrote:oragami_itto wrote:I feel like I'm rambling and repeating myself at this point.
Illustrates some of the points you mentioned
demos transitions from basic push hands to usage showing different strategies for entering
and bridging commonly found in taiji....applied.
https://youtu.be/bYFcUxep9TEIn this English-subtitled teaching video, Guo Shifu explains and demonstrates several important fighting concepts, namely,
1. hu zhong xin - guarding the centre
2. da qian - attacking the beginning,
3. wen jin - asking for force,
4. bi shi ji xü - avoiding the substantial and attacking the empty,
5. fa jin - generating power,
and
6. gun dong - rolling
He also mentions da kong - attacking the empty. (I mean I guess that's part of bi shi ji xü but whatever)
Shi Jidong wrote:45. Bi Shi Ji Xu - Avoid the Enemy's Strength, Strike at his Weakness: When the enemy punches at your face, Take the lower way and instantly open up. Take him by surprise, unprepared for the attack. Avoid his strength and attack his weak points, victory comes.
oragami_itto wrote:I really like Gou Sifu and what he has to say. I'm actually focusing somewhat on wen jin in freestyle push hands at the moment. Seemingly infinite variations in timing there with finite results.
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