GrahamB wrote:Just watch Jon in the sparring. He’s the other guy. He’s continually striking using correct Xingyi footwork. It’s live practice so it’s not as pretty as a form but there are numerous examples of beng shown.
marvin8 wrote:The stepping might be long or short, importance is the timing and coordination of the step/feet with the arms/fist. There is a visualization of incoming force and one must time and react on that force with ones forward force…Its very much an exercise on the sense of timing which is to take further in sparring……………Its easy to get stuck up with power generation issues and theories of tactical footwork stuff, which of course is there too………YiQuan was mentioned, there is the very same visualization in its practice.
dspyrido wrote:
This is a question for everyone - does your 5 elements include chinna that is drilled even when doing the form?
dspyrido wrote:Grahamb in your video i get that they are playing and many stylistic influences are coming out but the one thing that stood out for me - where's the grabbing? There's some wc like parry down but nothing controlling.
This is a question for everyone - does your 5 elements include chinna that is drilled even when doing the form?
GrahamB wrote:Trick wrote:if you consider a man on man fight you can skip the XYQ bufa practice??
That's an interesting question.
Obviously, if you drop the XingYi way of doing something you're not really doing XY anymore...
GrahamB wrote:It's there all over the place. I think you are somehow expecting a sparring match to look like a form? That's a classic mistake. However he does strike the Beng Quan "pose" several times. It's just very fast. It's there and it's gone. All the movements are "threaded into one". In the "form" practice it's more defined.
GrahamB wrote:What I would consider a good example of Bengquan outside of movies is this XingYi performance by Yang Hai, originally from China, but now living and teaching in Canada: . . .
The arms are working together in harmony, the spine is rotating and the hips are also moving around it. . . .
You don’t land your feet, then punch, or punch without stepping. The step is an integral part of the movement. It’s part of the opening and closing of the body and part of the technique. In Xingyi your feet should always be moving. . . .
I believe that part of the purpose of this footwork is to aid a key feature that makes a Bengquan different to a regular straight punch – that is its ability to penetrate deeply into the target. . . .
One arm is retracting in Bengquan as the other punches – that action utilises the whole body in a very relaxed way because it makes the spine rotate.
GrahamB wrote:dspyrido wrote:Grahamb in your video i get that they are playing and many stylistic influences are coming out but the one thing that stood out for me - where's the grabbing? There's some wc like parry down but nothing controlling.
The simple, dumbed down, answer to that would be, "why would you want to grab somebody's arm?" This isn't Aikido. THIS IS XINGYI
Essentially XY is a striking art. If you're resorting to grabbing it's because your striking isn't good enough. End of storey
GrahamB wrote:But seriously, the proper answer would be, of course, we have china na (although we use a different word for it) techniques in our XY. The video is showing a limited rule set exchange. It's supposed to be "5 Element fighting", which in our system is a specific type of sparring. For instance, kicking isn't allowed (they talk about this towards the end when one of them accidentally throws a kick - "kick!"). It's also meant to stay in contact range - when they break too much one of them shouts "stand off!" because the range is being broken too much and they are entering Stand Off training, which is another type of training we do.
They do break apart quite a bit though because they are getting progressively freer with the techniques and edging towards 12 animal fighting. Which is the way it should naturally progress. This should evolve naturally in XY. We start locked down and limited in what we are allowed to do and become more free naturally by following the process. The first time you are doing 12 animals sparring should be because it just evolves naturally out of your 5 elements sparring.
GrahamB wrote:marvin8 wrote:Can you post a video of "a man on man fight" (against another style) using "long or short stepping and the timing and coordination of the step/feet with the arms/fist" as in the OP clip that is "different to a straight punch?"
From 8.26 onwards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wOgtAVGso
Wanderingdragon wrote:So much goes missing when there is little understanding of the whole art.
https://youtu.be/U5M_wAlq6b8
Hand and foot never out of step no matter demo or sparring.
Wanderingdragon wrote:The point is , one can never understand beng without truly understanding Xing I body method. It is never the fist, it is always the next step.
https://youtu.be/39xfQ-KgsxU
Not knowing that step is not having body connection.
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