oragami_itto wrote:Bao wrote:Something you should understand about Thai Boxers especially is that they are very good at getting a clinch by compromising the structure on a guy that is standing with the spine straight up, and that they will use one attempt as a set up for another attempt using another angle. If you believe that you could easily raise up to a standing position if your back is already compromised you are just fooling yourself. If you believe that just standing there with a a straight spine will help you are also just fooling yourself. They won't freeze just because you try to keep your back straight. A whole lot of good martial artists and MMA fighters practice Muay Thai strategy and know everything about good and bad defences.
Maybe not the perfect vid, but at least a few examples here:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bS47tZ3ej9A
It's also unlikely the you can just push one of their arms while in full plum over your head so easily as in fa xing's video. If you're talking real clinch then you've got pressure against the back of your head, not neck, pulling it down.
In the original video, the complete exercise involves three key points.
1. Same side hand lifts with tiger mouth at elbow
2. Fold at kua with spine straight to change the angle of the contact point and slip out
3. Opposite side arm comes across to attach and attack through the originally clinching arm.
You really need all three elements in some fashion to make it effective
Right, of course, but this is a demo of technique and not live clinch sparring. However, I agree that against a high-level amatuer or pro, it will be a hard fight but that's to be expected. I just find it interesting that we go from Mizner's clip to mine and go 'well, against a real MT fighter....' I've done MT before (hence I know coaches that I can ask and get their opinion), and Tim teaches MMA/BJJ amatuers and pros, so....
All three of those elements were definitely there. In fact, in the traditional part of the instruction, that's what I taught first.