I’ve learned Yang Taijiquan & Tongbeiquan(wuxing) from one of my teachers. Although I didn’t learn any sets/forms of TBQ, but just jibengong and drilling the elements either one by one or in combination of two or three, solo and partner wise. The forms I saw are quite short and had not any sequenceial resemblance to any TJQ form I’ve seen or practice. But my TJQ/TBQ teacher said TJQ is a form of TBQ and vice versa, at begging I could not really understand this, but when the Shenfa began to settle and came around naturally I began to understand.… the similarities are on a “deeper” levelSome branches of the Tongbei Quan style (Five Elements
Various Tongbei masters from modern times
were able to see commonality with Taiji Quan once they learned the style themselves.
Trick wrote:, but when the Shenfa began to settle and came around naturally I began to understand.… the similarities are on a “deeper” level
Trick wrote:I’ve learned Yang Taijiquan & Tongbeiquan(wuxing) from one of my teachers. Although I didn’t learn any sets/forms of TBQ, but just jibengong and drilling the elements either one by one or in combination of two or three, solo and partner wise. The forms I saw are quite short and had not any sequenceial resemblance to any TJQ form I’ve seen or practice. But my TJQ/TBQ teacher said TJQ is a form of TBQ and vice versa, at begging I could not really understand this, but when the Shenfa began to settle and came around naturally I began to understand.… the similarities are on a “deeper” levelSome branches of the Tongbei Quan style (Five Elements
Various Tongbei masters from modern times
were able to see commonality with Taiji Quan once they learned the style themselves.
HotSoup wrote:Trick wrote:I’ve learned Yang Taijiquan & Tongbeiquan(wuxing) from one of my teachers. Although I didn’t learn any sets/forms of TBQ, but just jibengong and drilling the elements either one by one or in combination of two or three, solo and partner wise. The forms I saw are quite short and had not any sequenceial resemblance to any TJQ form I’ve seen or practice. But my TJQ/TBQ teacher said TJQ is a form of TBQ and vice versa, at begging I could not really understand this, but when the Shenfa began to settle and came around naturally I began to understand.… the similarities are on a “deeper” levelSome branches of the Tongbei Quan style (Five Elements
Various Tongbei masters from modern times
were able to see commonality with Taiji Quan once they learned the style themselves.
It's an interesting idea I also like to play with, sometimes. However, there's a mental trap. The nature of our mental process is that we synthesize everything trying to find a common denominator. So, the shenfa of a person studied multiple styles will be a disproportional combination of all of them. Have you ever thought that you didn't "find" the similarities, but rather "introduced" them by your cross-training? Or, in your specific case, those similarities could be introduced by your teacher through the same process.
At the same time, it's hard to deny that there are many concepts and their implementations shared across the whole spectrum of CMA. It's just hard to tell sometimes which are "true" similarities, and which are self-constructed.
Also, note that such people as the eighth century AD (the Tang dynasty)
philosopher Xu Xuanping (許宣平) developed a Chang Quan 長拳 or Long Boxing of 37 forms, which featured
postures named: Play the Pipa, Single Whip, Step up to Seven Stars, Jade Lady Works the Shuttles, High Pat on Horse;
and White Crane (originally Phoenix) Cools Wing.
On the other hand, fellow 14th generation member Chen Changxing is thought (by Wu Yuxiang) to have preserved
the original version of this 13 Postures Soft Hands routine and later passed it to his famous student Yang Luchan, who
in turn merged it with other influences to create Yang Taiji Quan, which explains why Yang Taiji Quan’s some of the
main routine’s movement names are the same as in the Taoist 13 Postures Soft Hands rather than as the movement
names that now are in standard Chen Taiji Quan (for example, terms like “Grasp the Sparrow’s Tail” are in Yang Taiji
Quan and in the 13 Postures Soft Hands, but not used in Chen Taiji Quan).
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