Settled status:
For anybody on this board who hasn't disappeared down a Brexit rabbit hole and just believes everything the government tells them and say thing like "Eu citizens will NOT become 'illegal immigrants'."
(because why would they ile?? I mean, it's not like they've been caught doing it time and time again...)
Sigh ... This is getting time consuming
... but just for fun ... lets take a look at this little lot.
Firstyly, let me get this straight. You don’t believe the UK government .. I guess that’s fair. Politicians are generally untrustworthy … but you DO believe the EU? Do you see the congnative dissonance there?
You might be interested in some actual first-hand accounts from people who have to apply for settled status, not those who don't have to.
Sure … lets look at these “real” people you/ some website has dug up.
"This is what's happening now. Lots of people get pre-settled status. I'm on private FB groups and twitter feeds where I see ppl who worked non-stop in the UK for 16+ years etc get pre-settled status, which is more restrictive, does not automatically convert into settled status etc. Why don't these people get settled status? Because the application system is too restrictive. Its default is pre-settled status.
So lets look at what Pre-settled status is (Because I don’t think you or this person knows)
This is Pre Settled status :
“Pre-settled statusAn EU national and their family member(s) who have not lived in the UK for a continuous period of five years will be granted pre-settled status (also known as limited leave to remain).
Again, there are no specific requirements that an applicant will need to meet other than being a resident of the UK. Whilst there is no set duration of time in which an individual must have been residing in the UK prior to making an application, in order to be eligible under the scheme, an EU national must have been living in the UK by 31 December 2020.
Close family members of an EU national wishing to join them in the UK will still be able to do so after this date providing that the EU national lived in the UK prior to 31 December 2020 and the relationship existed prior to this date. Any family member arriving in the UK after 31 December 2020 will have three months in which to make an application under the scheme.”Pre settled status is exactly the same as most EU nationals status’ were before Brexit.
They have the same EU rights protected, nothing changes for them. The difference between pre-settled and settled is simply time they have been here at the point when they apply.
The UK *knows* this. They know many people will forget to apply from pre-settled status to settled status. Those people will become illegal. It's a tragedy waiting to happen. If they are serious about making acceptance the default, why make the system so onerous?
There is no defined time limit on that status when you look at the legals. Yes at 5 years they should apply for Settled status if they wish to remain, but there is nothing in the legislation saying that there is a timelimit on when they have to do that. Simply that the individual will become eligible for settled status after 5 years. The difference is simply the time people have been here.
Settled/pre-settled status is for people who do not want to become British citizens but retain their National identity (EU citizen). The process to become a British citizen doesn't actually change.
Naturalisation
Anyone who holds an EU Permanent Residence document is able to stay in the UK indefinitely. They will be eligible to apply for British citizenship after demonstrating that they have been free of immigration restrictions for 12 months, unless married to a British citizen in which case they are eligible to apply to naturalise immediately. The same will apply to those who have settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme.
Further, lets pretend that after 5 years they become illegal, don’t you think that person would be marking that date in their diary? Don’t you think its something so important you wouldn’t forget? Is the idiot who wrote this serious??!
Also, If an EU citizen already has an EU permanent residence document, they automatically get settled status.
Today I saw someone in desperation, lives with her boyfriend for many years, no NI number, nothing in her name (no bills, rental contracts), how on Earth is she going to even get settled status?
Sooooo someone with no national insurance number who has been here many years? Do you seriously think that is the norm? Also dont you think this 'person' should GET a national insurance number and start paying some NI?
Regardless, his person doesnt seem to satisfy the CURRENT EU requirements for settling in the UK, Article 6 and Article 7 of Directive 2004/38/EC.
the EU citizen must be and continue to be a worker, self-employed person, student, or self-sufficient person
But regardless still …. They dont seem to even need a national insurance number
From UK Gov:
When you apply, you’ll need proof of:
• your identity
• your residence in the UK, unless you have a valid permanent residence document, or valid indefinite leave to remain in or enter the UK
• your relationship to a family member from the EU living in the UK, if you’re from outside the EU
Looks like they will be fine. Dry your eyes.
I was waiting to see what they would do. When they said we are going to make acceptance the default, and we'll make sure you can stay, you're welcome etc. I knew they were lying. I mean, as we speak, they're deporting Windrush-generation citizens!"
This person is fear mongering. No EU citizens are getting deported... where is the proof? Show me some proof that EU citizens are getting deported BEFORE the brexit date.... While EU rules are still in place!? I mean ... what ... utter .. horseshit!
I wouldn’t be surprised if their ‘people I met’ are entirely fictional constructed to spread their misinformation to people like you who lap it up because you cannot be bothered to look at the actual legislation.
Settled status provides EU citizens with the same rights they would have should we not have left the EU. So essentially a quick application and nothing changes for them. If they are a criminal, they get rejected, as well they should, and as they would be if applying for an EU Permanent residence document and we were still in the EU ... so even there nothing changes.
So your brilliant responses have been 'real people' who dont know the process ... and a quote from a rock star millionaire. inspired work.
I am sure you will have a pithy response from a stoic or something more about 'Karma' But hopefully the rest of the board are a little more enlightened.
I have personal experience of real people from outside the EU who have been completely Fucked by their migration ideas and asylum policies. If some people from France need to pop back across the channel to their 1st world country .. I'm not shedding any tears for them, sorry. My friend being deported to a 3rd world country who's language he doesnt even speak... because of the EU .. bit of a different scale i am afraid and a bit of a more serious moral problem.