Groin Protective Stance

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Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:16 am

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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby johnwang on Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:37 pm

Your opponent can sweep your left leading leg without re-position his left foot position.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:35 pm

This is when he is pushing you away and I don't think you can sweep his leg. If it is a normal forward stance you can resist the push and kick him between his legs. This is why he use this groin protective stance.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby johnwang on Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:48 pm

Yeung wrote:This is when he is pushing you away and I don't think you can sweep his leg.

If you use this stance to attack, you will need to turn in your toes much more.



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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Steve James on Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:06 pm

johnwang wrote:Your opponent can sweep your left leading leg without re-position his left foot position.


I think an opponent can sweep (or kick) the leading leg when the weight is on it no mater what the position of the foot.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby johnwang on Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:25 pm

Steve James wrote:I think an opponent can sweep (or kick) the leading leg when the weight is on it no mater what the position of the foot.

The best angle for ankle foot sweep is to sweep the direction from your opponent's ankle toward his toes. If your opponent turns his ankle out, it will make your foot sweep easier. When you are standing south of your opponent, it's easier for your foot to move from NW to SE than to move from N to S.

To expose your ankle has the same issue as to expose your elbow joint.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:40 pm

The picture is a posture after a push, and this is from a routine and the following as follows:

“連貫動作
Continuous movement:
全身下矮擰腰身向右轉右脚屈膝收起兩手分摟上旋抱頭豎掌推出右脚前邁一步落地動作務求周身相隨成抱頭推山式
Your whole body lowers and your waist twists your body around to the right, your right foot withdrawing, knee bending, as your hands spread, brushing to the sides, and circle upward to cover your head as upright palms, which then push out, your right foot stepping forward. The movement should have whole-body coordination. This completes the posture of COVER THE HEAD AND PUSH THE MOUNTAIN. “(Paul Brennan Aug, 2017)
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby oragami_itto on Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:49 pm

Cheng Man Ching turned his front foot in when free fighting for the same reason.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:13 pm

The photo is from:

陳氏世傳太極拳術
THE INHERITED CHEN FAMILY TAIJI BOXING ART
著作者 溫縣陳子明
by Chen Ziming (1872-1951)

So, I assume that was the author in the photo.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby johnwang on Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:26 pm

Yeung wrote:The picture is a posture after a push, and this is from a routine and the following as follows:

If you turn your foot in just to protect your groin area, IMO, it's too conservative approach. If you turn your foot in to bite on your opponent's leg and control his leg, it's more aggressive approach.

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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:56 am

More photos from Taijiquan:

https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... -laisheng/

湖南國術訓練所
From the Hunan Martial Arts Training Institute’s
武術小叢書之一
“Small Collection of Martial Arts Books” –
原式太極拳圖解
ORIGINAL POSTURES OF TAIJI BOXING EXPLAINED
萬籟聲編著
by Wan Laisheng
[published 1932]
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Trick on Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:25 am

oragami_itto wrote:Cheng Man Ching turned his front foot in when free fighting for the same reason.

the only refernce to what might would have been a free fighting bout is the supposed leitai challenge ZMQ was to have ahainst Wan laizhen(spelling?) of the Ziramen style in Nanjing. if remember right its ,entilned in Smith's 'Masters & methods'.........Where can i read about ZMQ's other (almost)fights ?
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby wiesiek on Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:57 am

Light inside knee turning should be nuf for protection valuables for the beginners,
later you may learn pulling them up - not to hard stuff ,really; and even pulling them inside /I lost interest in such training somewhere in the meddle of it/
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby oragami_itto on Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:06 am

Trick wrote:
oragami_itto wrote:Cheng Man Ching turned his front foot in when free fighting for the same reason.

the only refernce to what might would have been a free fighting bout is the supposed leitai challenge ZMQ was to have ahainst Wan laizhen(spelling?) of the Ziramen style in Nanjing. if remember right its ,entilned in Smith's 'Masters & methods'.........Where can i read about ZMQ's other (almost)fights ?


That particular bit was according to T.T. Liang per Ray Hayward's book "Lessons with Master Liang", but it's discussed in "Cheng Man Ching: Master of five excellences", "Tai Chi: The Supreme Ultimate Exercise For Health and Self Defense" (with Robert Smith), "Master Cheng's New Method of Taichi Ch'uan Self-Cultivation", and even online there are various pages describing him staying with Yang Cheng Fu and accepting challenges on his behalf.
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Re: Groin Protective Stance

Postby Yeung on Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:36 am

There is a difference between turning your knee and turning your hip joint inward. Knee turning will damage the knee, and hip turning in a way will protect the testes from a frontal attack.
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