And thanks Peacedog, Grzegorz and Middleway for your thoughts. This is an issue I feel quite strongly about, almost passionately, also from my perspective as someone with dual British-German citizenship (as of 4 weeks or so).
There are plenty of points and arguments in the room now which I would like to address, some of which give me cause to potentially rethink on some issues. Some. But I can’t right now. I almost feel a bit embarrassed about it, but I have several hard deadlines for delivery of a lot of translation work between now and Friday – and thinking about and answering the various posts with any degree of depth is something I don’t have time for right now . Guess I should have considered that before posting what I did, but I just shot from the hip.
If this discussion is still more or less live when the weekend comes around, I’ll try to come back on this later. [salutes all and departs]
middleway wrote:I say this because I know very leftist people who think this way. They blame everything on the system and although they may be right about some things it seems that they want to throw out the whole system instead of trying to think of ways to fix it.
This is a very interesting observation as Left leaning politics tends to preference larger degrees of government control and more 'systems' in place.
MistyMonkeyMethod wrote:
Growth since 2009: China 139%; India 96%; Russia 36%, US 34%. UK 11.2%, Eurozone -2%.
hanks for your feedback. It never really occured to me that this is the European outlook of the left. Across the pond (I hate that phrase) the left or liberals are the ones more concerned with civil rights, immigrants rights, abortion rights, workers' rights, criminal rights, human rights, the right not to be drafted, the right not to be detained, medical marijuana, etc...So they tend to be the ones who challenge the status quo or "the system."
Folks on the left want more government control of the massively powerful wealthy person's and corporations in order to ensure more liberty and protection of civil and human rights of individual citizens.
In fact the right (here) often claims to be the law and order party and although they claim to be for less laws and regulations the fact is the laws and regulations they strip away are the ones that protect private citizens and are in favor of the corporations. In fact we can even see this in Trump's "wall" where the amount of land that will taken from private citizens if the wall is built will be equivalent to a small state since much of the border is defined as Rio Grande but since a wall cannot be built in the middle of a river there will be land North of the river that will essentially fall into the hands of Mexico. Therefore it's impossible here to claim that the Right is for less laws when you have private citizens and native Americans who lose their land and property rights to the government.
As far as the rise of the right in the EU and Brexit as Eric Idle from Monty Python stated on Bill Maher last Friday, I think it all comes down to Cambridge Analytica, Troll farms, and Putin in response to the stalemate in Ukraine. In Poland secret recordings got the legit candidates booted out of office and replaced by the far right who I don't endorse in any way shape or form but I do know they are making some good policy decisions for the "forgotten man" unlike here where we had a corporate takeover.
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