Steve James wrote:Michael wrote:Yeah, I guess both sides are concerned the other is gaming the system.
I don't see it as sides. Once that happens, people feel they have to be loyal, like they're on a team and the other "side" is the enemy. The national election should be about how the people vote nationally, not about the way some people have decided their state's votes should be counted. YEAH, I know "the people of the state choose." That's why there are states asking for a change. Why is there resistance? Because it means a loss of power for some people.
Women weren't able to vote 100 years ago. It wasn't about the different parties. It's not that women had been holding anyone back. Yet, there's a fear of women in power and powerful women. That they're asking for too much. Of course, any "more" is too much.
Btw, most of the time, the winner got the popular vote, and the other side survived ok. In fact, when decisions didn't simply go along party lines, "America" was better off no matter the party of who was in office.
If we had a national holiday for voting that would happen. The problem is the GOP has no desire to have national holiday for voting
Meanwhile, the convictions for voter and election tampering do not reflect their assertions.
“There is no credible data that indicates illegal voting is happening in any significant numbers, and the Secretary’s statement does not change that fact,” said Beth Stevens, Voting Rights Legal Director with the Texas Civil Rights Project.
Stevens said she is concerned about how the state identified the suspected non-citizen voters.
“The secretary’s actions threaten to result in tens of thousands of eligible voters being removed from the rolls, including those with the least resources to comply with the demand to show papers,” Stevens said.
Stevens said the latest efforts — and the overzealous celebration from Paxton and others — are concerning because the next step will be that “the state is going to use this highly suspect ‘investigation’ to try to pass laws that will make it harder for eligible Texas voters to cast a ballot that counts.”
“There is no credible data that indicates illegal voting is happening in any significant numbers, and the Secretary’s statement does not change that fact,” said Beth Stevens, Voting Rights Legal Director with the Texas Civil Rights Project.
“The secretary’s actions threaten to result in tens of thousands of eligible voters being removed from the rolls, including those with the least resources to comply with the demand to show papers,” Stevens said.
Like I said, if all those thousands of voters voted in Texas, they should have had some effect. Though, I bet the effect they claim is that Beto got more votes than he should have.
Like I said, if all those thousands of voters voted in Texas, they should have had some effect. Though, I bet the effect they claim is that Beto got more votes than he should have.
Still has nothing to do with the national election unless the argument is that voter fraud affects all elections.
Thirdly, the assumption is that Democrats benefit from whatever illegal voting there is. Texas is already a Republican dominated state. As I said, the fear is that more voters will end in a loss of control by those in power. So, they say the other side is cheating.
Steve wrote:If you believe there are lots of illegal voters, it's simply because you choose to believe the claim.
Fine, but it's not an argument for or against a voting system. Using the popular vote would not change.
Do you see anything wrong with making election day a national holiday?
I also think that the people who argue most forcefully for removing people from the voting rolls have been elected and are already in power and control of the voting system.
meeks wrote:That means if you're living on college campus and your driver's license has your parents home address you're ineligible to vote.
It's about gaming the system so you can control who votes in your own favor.
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