oragami_itto wrote:Taste of Death wrote:oragami_itto wrote:Maybe, maybe not, the point remains you are describing a completely different Gambit.
John and I only care about what works. 1 is better than 1-2 which is better than 1-2-3.
Sure, 1 is better than 3, but a duck is a duck and a chicken is a chicken, and just running them over in one movement doesn't really fit the topic of discussion "plan one step ahead".
everything wrote:It depends right. Machida liked to use these kinds of cross the body takedowns. Sometimes he got a leg or the other. Sometimes not. But I think he often did plan it one step ahead, but more as an "attack by drawing" rather than "progressive indirect attack" to borrow from Bruce Lee terms. Other times, it's kind of just there. In the second part of this gif, he doesn't really do the throw as cleanly as in the first, looks more like "press", but it works out, and he does catch a leg. First throw, it seems more that he "bumps" the hip of his opponent and makes the guy's hip go over his bump.
Taste of Death wrote:oragami_itto wrote:Taste of Death wrote:John and I only care about what works. 1 is better than 1-2 which is better than 1-2-3.
Sure, 1 is better than 3, but a duck is a duck and a chicken is a chicken, and just running them over in one movement doesn't really fit the topic of discussion "plan one step ahead".
"The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry." - Sifu John Steinbeck
If you have a plan you're not doing CIMA. Turn off your mind and use your body awareness.
oragami_itto wrote:
Right... thanks... you obviously have a deep grasp of the topic.
Taste of Death wrote:oragami_itto wrote:
Right... thanks... you obviously have a deep grasp of the topic.
I learned taiji and hsing i from Henry Look and yiquan from Han Jing Chen. I do have a deep grasp of the topic. You just throw around insults. Come out to the Bay Area where we don't just talk cima but actually do it.
Trick wrote:if talking (xingyiquan)yiquan push-hands/sparring its nothing unusual to draw out an opening in the opponents guard
everything wrote:I don't know all the setups for the plan moves ahead, but I should get back leg as Plan A, but front is still good plan B? That makes sense to me. Personally this kind of takedown is one of my favorites. It seems a little unexpected (for those that don't know of it).
windwalker wrote:If one understands what awareness means. To be aware without gaps. It's very difficult to enter.
being able to take someone down means that they have a gap in their awareness.
Douglass Wile wrote:Song of Look-Right
Feigning to the left, we attack to the right with perfect steps.
Striking left and attacking right, we follow the opportunities.
We avoid the frontal and advance from the side, seizing changing conditions.
Left and right, full and empty, our technique must be faultless.
Yang Family Manuscripts Collected by Li Ying-ang
Tai Chi Touchstones: Yang Family Secret Transmissions p 37
oragami_itto wrote:windwalker wrote:If one understands what awareness means. To be aware without gaps. It's very difficult to enter.
being able to take someone down means that they have a gap in their awareness.
I agree. That's precisely why we have these sort of diversionary tactics to create that gap.
To speak in terms of your own martial art, when you first notice the sword that is moving to strike you, if you think of meeting that sword just as it is, your mind will stop at the sword in just that position, your own movements will be undone, and you will be cut down by your opponent. This is what stopping means. the gap
Although you see the sword that moves to strike you, if your mind is not detained by it and you meet the rhythm of the advancing sword; if you do not think of striking your opponent and no thoughts or judgments remain; if the instant you see the swinging sword your mind is not the least bit detained and you move straight in and wrench the sword away from him; the sword that was going to cut you down will become your own, and, contrarily, will be the sword that cuts down your opponent.
oragami_itto wrote:Taste of Death wrote:oragami_itto wrote:
Right... thanks... you obviously have a deep grasp of the topic.
I learned taiji and hsing i from Henry Look and yiquan from Han Jing Chen. I do have a deep grasp of the topic. You just throw around insults. Come out to the Bay Area where we don't just talk cima but actually do it.
Yaay keyboard threats, you sure are moving up the ranks quickly, clearly demonstrating your mindset.
Do you always try to pick fights when you don't understand the topic of discussion or is this something special you're breaking out for my benefit?
Taste of Death wrote:oragami_itto wrote:Taste of Death wrote:
I learned taiji and hsing i from Henry Look and yiquan from Han Jing Chen. I do have a deep grasp of the topic. You just throw around insults. Come out to the Bay Area where we don't just talk cima but actually do it.
Yaay keyboard threats, you sure are moving up the ranks quickly, clearly demonstrating your mindset.
Do you always try to pick fights when you don't understand the topic of discussion or is this something special you're breaking out for my benefit?
I invited you to come train with us which some from this and other online forums have done. I wasn't challenging you to anything other than a discussion.
The topic of this thread is planning one step ahead. With cima there can be no plan. We practice the art of "change". If I have a plan what do I do when something unexpected happens? Come up with another plan or just let my body do what it was trained for?
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