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Re: BREXIT

Postby Zonker on Sat May 11, 2019 2:36 pm

grzegorz wrote:And voilence returns to Northern Ireland...

Sectarian violence in Northern Ireland never totally stopped after The Good Friday Agreement went into effect, it's just been "microscopic", from a global media perspective. While there hadn't been a bomb attack since Omagh in August '98, Nationalists v. Unionist violence has continued. The violence has been focused against specific individuals and not entire communities and is difficult to differentiate from "street crime" murders. Global media coverage went ga-ga over two failed "bombings" in Derry because now, or so it would appear, bombs are back. That journalist being singled out and murdered is just more of the same thing that's been happening over the last 21 years.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sat May 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Yeah the global media is the problem.

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Re: BREXIT

Postby Steve James on Sun May 12, 2019 8:23 am

Brexit isn't the cause of violence in Northern Ireland. It just furthers the nationalist cause. The conflict does go back hundreds of years, but the Brexit debate doesn't help. If people argue that England is for the English, then the same should be expected from the Irish.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Zonker on Sun May 12, 2019 3:31 pm

grzegorz wrote:Yeah the global media is the problem.

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The point of my mentioning the global press, though not clearly or effectively communicated, was that the world only seems to be aware of Northern Ireland’s existence when bombs are exploding there. The cause of the problem is clearly not the global press. I am sorry that you read my post and got the impression that I was blaming the global press for the Northern Ireland horror show.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 12, 2019 11:12 pm

No need to apologize.

I misread you but then again I live in a country where the man in the White House calls the press the "enemy of the people" when all they're doing is reporting what he says and fact checking what it said.

Yet many (here) believe that the press and media is the problem.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Sun May 12, 2019 11:47 pm

The UK right wing Brexiters are now adopting the same strategy as Trump and the American alt right, and it is working. Outrage at the press, lies designed to appeal to stupid people, attack on "elites" (while at the same time, they ARE the elites), bulging eyes, shouting!

The Leavers love it.

It's demagoguery pure and simple.

Nigel Farage is the face of the new Brexit party. Just watch how he employs all these tactics on the Andrew Marr show yesterday:



People are talking about Marr 'destroying' him because he couldn't answer basic questions, but they are missing the point. He'll win. People whose own eyes bulge and froth at the mouth when they talk about immigrants and the EU love this sort of stuff.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Trick on Mon May 13, 2019 2:16 am

i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump suporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Mon May 13, 2019 2:23 am

Of course - they're not all extremists, but they are knowingly supporting the extremists, racists and thugs of fascism. And that's ok with them. -shrug-

How do you think Hitler got to power in the 1930s? Sure that was a much more extreme case, but it makes me wonder. We've been here before.

I don't think you can compare the current UK to 1930s Germany. Hopefully, we won't let that happen again, but I just see the same general series of events being played out over history time and time again.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Trick on Mon May 13, 2019 2:46 am

i think some maybe see something third-reich'ish/sovjet-union'istic in progresson within the eu project and want to leave because of that ?
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 am

They "want their country back", apparently. I'd argue that they're just swapping who controls them for a load of British elites, who argue for Brexit in their interests - really important stuff like, say, paying less tax on their millions and removing workers EU rights like maternity pay, etc....

Sovereignty is a tricky subject. Highly susceptible to manipulation. We talked about this in my Brexit podcast episode if you'd like to listen:

https://www.hereticspodcast.com/2019/04/21/hello-world/
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Trick wrote:i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump suporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...


It's the same with Trump supporters. They are not all nazi saluting we will fight to protect Confederate monument types but they do sympathize with their fellow Trump supporters who are.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby windwalker on Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm

Trick wrote:i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump supporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...



Many follow fascist tendencies with out understanding that they are...
They don't allow for different thought and condemn all that have them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6bSsaVL6gA

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After all, fascism has its roots in the left.
Dinesh D'Souza, author of The Big Lie, explains.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Wed May 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Dinesh D' Souza will do and say anything for money.

I doubt he even believes the vomit and filth that even comes out of his mouth.

Dinesh D'Souza...LOL!

What's next quotes from Milo?

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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Fri May 17, 2019 10:07 pm

Everybody should watch this brilliant TED Talk from Carole Cadwalladr factually outing Brexit as the sham it really is

(Credit: TED/Carole Cadwalladr)

https://www.facebook.com/officialjon/vi ... xMjg0MDc3/

It's on Facebook ironically, because it's all about how Facebook enabled massive fraud which caused Brexit.

I can find bits of it on YouTube, but not all of it.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sat May 18, 2019 4:29 pm

As to fascist Wind (no videos necessary to answer this) can you name one dictator Trump met and didn't like?
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