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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sat May 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Yeah the global media is the problem.

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Re: BREXIT

Postby Steve James on Sun May 12, 2019 8:23 am

Brexit isn't the cause of violence in Northern Ireland. It just furthers the nationalist cause. The conflict does go back hundreds of years, but the Brexit debate doesn't help. If people argue that England is for the English, then the same should be expected from the Irish.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Zonker on Sun May 12, 2019 3:31 pm

grzegorz wrote:Yeah the global media is the problem.

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The point of my mentioning the global press, though not clearly or effectively communicated, was that the world only seems to be aware of Northern Ireland’s existence when bombs are exploding there. The cause of the problem is clearly not the global press. I am sorry that you read my post and got the impression that I was blaming the global press for the Northern Ireland horror show.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 12, 2019 11:12 pm

No need to apologize.

I misread you but then again I live in a country where the man in the White House calls the press the "enemy of the people" when all they're doing is reporting what he says and fact checking what it said.

Yet many (here) believe that the press and media is the problem.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Sun May 12, 2019 11:47 pm

The UK right wing Brexiters are now adopting the same strategy as Trump and the American alt right, and it is working. Outrage at the press, lies designed to appeal to stupid people, attack on "elites" (while at the same time, they ARE the elites), bulging eyes, shouting!

The Leavers love it.

It's demagoguery pure and simple.

Nigel Farage is the face of the new Brexit party. Just watch how he employs all these tactics on the Andrew Marr show yesterday:



People are talking about Marr 'destroying' him because he couldn't answer basic questions, but they are missing the point. He'll win. People whose own eyes bulge and froth at the mouth when they talk about immigrants and the EU love this sort of stuff.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Trick on Mon May 13, 2019 2:16 am

i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump suporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Mon May 13, 2019 2:23 am

Of course - they're not all extremists, but they are knowingly supporting the extremists, racists and thugs of fascism. And that's ok with them. -shrug-

How do you think Hitler got to power in the 1930s? Sure that was a much more extreme case, but it makes me wonder. We've been here before.

I don't think you can compare the current UK to 1930s Germany. Hopefully, we won't let that happen again, but I just see the same general series of events being played out over history time and time again.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Trick on Mon May 13, 2019 2:46 am

i think some maybe see something third-reich'ish/sovjet-union'istic in progresson within the eu project and want to leave because of that ?
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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 am

They "want their country back", apparently. I'd argue that they're just swapping who controls them for a load of British elites, who argue for Brexit in their interests - really important stuff like, say, paying less tax on their millions and removing workers EU rights like maternity pay, etc....

Sovereignty is a tricky subject. Highly susceptible to manipulation. We talked about this in my Brexit podcast episode if you'd like to listen:

https://www.hereticspodcast.com/2019/04/21/hello-world/
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Trick wrote:i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump suporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...


It's the same with Trump supporters. They are not all nazi saluting we will fight to protect Confederate monument types but they do sympathize with their fellow Trump supporters who are.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby windwalker on Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm

Trick wrote:i have an english friend here in the small city in china where i live. he is for brexit, nothing alt-rightwinger or any kind of extremist about him, not even an trump supporter, i would actually guess he is as most brexiters...



Many follow fascist tendencies with out understanding that they are...
They don't allow for different thought and condemn all that have them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6bSsaVL6gA

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After all, fascism has its roots in the left.
Dinesh D'Souza, author of The Big Lie, explains.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Wed May 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Dinesh D' Souza will do and say anything for money.

I doubt he even believes the vomit and filth that even comes out of his mouth.

Dinesh D'Souza...LOL!

What's next quotes from Milo?

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Re: BREXIT

Postby GrahamB on Fri May 17, 2019 10:07 pm

Everybody should watch this brilliant TED Talk from Carole Cadwalladr factually outing Brexit as the sham it really is

(Credit: TED/Carole Cadwalladr)

https://www.facebook.com/officialjon/vi ... xMjg0MDc3/

It's on Facebook ironically, because it's all about how Facebook enabled massive fraud which caused Brexit.

I can find bits of it on YouTube, but not all of it.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sat May 18, 2019 4:29 pm

As to fascist Wind (no videos necessary to answer this) can you name one dictator Trump met and didn't like?
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sun May 19, 2019 2:14 pm

I guess the so-called experts were right.

Long list of companies leaving jolly old England.

But hey! At least lightbulbs are unregulated.

Make lightbulbs great again!

http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/2 ... of-brexit/

These large companies are leaving the UK because of Brexit

http://www.businessfondue.com

While the UK is saying goodbye to the European Union, these large international companies are waving goodbye to the UK.

Large multinational companies have not been taking lightly the fact that Britain is leaving the single EU market and customs union. Over the past year, many high-profile firms have announced relocating their European headquarters and thousands of jobs from London to Amsterdam, Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, and even Dubai.

However, some of them, such as Unilever, the Anglo-Dutch consumer goods giant, had to cancel a move due to the shareholders’ revolt.

According to EY’s Financial Services Brexit Tracker, financial services companies alone added or will add around 2,000 new European jobs outside the UK as a result of Brexit.

In total, over 7,000 jobs could be shifted from London to other European cities, assumes the report.

In addition, a number of banks are transferring assets worth billions out of the UK in preparation of a no-deal Brexit. Banks are trying to secure rights to serve European customers as British companies might lose “passporting” rights that allow them to sell financial services in the EU single market after Britain leaves the bloc. 

Which countries will attract the most companies leaving the UK?

As a result, many EU member states joined the race to accommodate companies looking for a new home because of Brexit.

Who have been the winners so far? When it comes to financial services, Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt, and Paris are the most popular cities to add jobs, reports EY Financial Services Brexit Tracker.

However, other countries are sharing their success stories too.

The Dutch government reveals that it is in contact with more than 250 companies that are thinking about the possibility to relocate to the Netherlands.

Germany is another country successfully luring companies that are leaving Britain. A German lobby group, Frankfurt Main Finance, has claimed that between €750 billion to €800 billion ($911 billion) in financial assets will move to Germany by March 29, 2019 – the date when Britain leaves the bloc.

While Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, made no secret of its ambitions to overtake London as Europe’s fintech center.

A number of London-based financial technology startups have already applied for licenses in Lithuania seeking to ensure rights to provide financial services after Britain leaves the EU. Some of them also relocated their headquarters and increased the number of staff in the Baltic country.

According to Lithuania’s central bank, 110 licensed companies have been already working in Lithuania’s fintech cluster, while 60 applications are under review at the moment. In terms of licensed fintech companies, Lithuania is the second only to Britain in the EU.

Business Fondue rounds up which large firms announced about their relocation or increased their presence in other European countries in connection with Brexit and where did they go.

Panasonic: to the Netherlands

Japanese electronics firm Panasonic moved its European headquarters from Bracknell (UK) to Amsterdam in October 2018. The company was seeking to avoid potential fiscal obstacles after Britain leaves the EU.

Sony: to the Netherlands

Another Japanese electronics giant, Sony, is also shifting its European headquarters to the Netherlands as a result of Brexit. The move will allow Sony to avoid customs issues after the UK leaves the bloc, said the company in a statement.

Barclay’s: to Ireland

Financial services company Barclay’s is transferring €191 billion ($217 billion) worth of assets from the UK to the Dublin-based branch.

Barclay’s also shifted the ownership of all of its European branches to Dublin and doubled the number of staff in its new base.

Nissan: to Japan

Japanese car manufacturer, Nissan, announced it would stop making the X-Trail SUV at its plant in the UK and will start manufacturing this model back in Japan. The experts believe two factors had the impact on this decision: the falling demand for diesel cars in Europe and Brexit. The company revealed that although “the decision was taken for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the U.K.’s future relationship with the EU was not helping to plan a future”.

Royal Bank of Scotland: to the Netherlands

Royal Bank of Scotland Group revealed its plans to move almost €7 billion ($8 billion) worth of client assets and €8 billion ($9.3 billion) in liabilities from the UK to the Netherlands in case of a no-deal Brexit.

Revolut: to Lithuania

One of the UK’s fastest-growing financial technology startup, Revolut, got a specialized bank license in Lithuania. It means that the digital bank is allowed to offer current accounts and loans across the EU.

In addition, Lithuania’s central bank issued an electronic money license to Revolut.

HSBC: to France

Due to uncertainty over Brexit deal, Europe’s biggest bank, HSBC, has shifted the ownership of a number of its European branches from London to Paris.

However, it is still unclear how many of 1,000 banking jobs will be transferred from London to Paris.

Lloyd’s of London: to Brussels

Insurance company Lloyd’s of London established an insurance company in Brussels in order to remain fully operational in the EU after Brexit.

Aviva: to Ireland

Britain’s insurer Aviva is planning to move €10,5 billion ($12 billion) worth of assets to Dublin.

Goldman Sachs: to Germany

Goldman Sachs is not only expanding the number of staff in its branch in Frankfurt but also opening new offices in Stockholm, Milan, and Dublin.

Honda

Japanese car manufacturer, Honda, announced in February 2019 its plans to close a manufacturing plant with 3,500 jobs in the UK by 2021.

Despite Honda’s reassurance that it is not related to Brexit, experts argue that Britain’s decision to leave the EU should have had a great impact.

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