anyway I was just exploring some "internal" plyo-metrics and wanted to see what he was doing. as I remember it he was in a bow stance and springing backwards with little to no movement from the legs; All kua work.
Walk the Torque wrote:Hi Simon,
yeah I saw this one but thank you for the effort
Could have been Jinghan. It was part of his Bagua training I think? such a long time ago.
anyway I was just exploring some "internal" plyo-metrics and wanted to see what he was doing. as I remember it he was in a bow stance and springing backwards with little to no movement from the legs; All kua work.
It was a different clip but essentially the same thing.
Peacedog wrote:FWIW,
I remember meeks talking about some exercises to drill qing gong as well.
Walk the Torque wrote:Peacedog wrote:FWIW,
I remember meeks talking about some exercises to drill qing gong as well.
he was in a bow stance and springing backwards with little to no movement from the legs; All kua work. . . .
Yeah, however this was more to do with generating power.
Walk the Torque wrote:Hey Marvin8,
well I think the words are "Jin Specific"; for the training of Jin, not just movement.
"All Kua" relates to the majority of of the movement/force (95%) to leave the ground comes from the Kua/Dan Tien. Done this way the exercise isolates this movement in order to work on its speed, strength and co-ordination in order to get you off the ground. Having developed this explosive power it can then be metered down to direct the force through the torso/arms and hands.
Zhang Yun wrote:Example: two identical twins, same size, same muscle composition – same level of li, one is a professional golfer, the other never golfs. . . His trained sibling uses something far more powerful and sophisticated. He has jin, and use it to great effect: he is able to drive the ball much further, place it on the course with much greater accuracy, and often with much less effort.
Walk the Torque wrote:When I am throwing the medicine ball to the re-bounder I mimic as closely as possible the actions of 'double push' or 'brush knee push step' from the Yang Style. The movement is kept as small as possible while doing enough to propel the medicine ball toward the rebounder and with as much speed and force to train an explosive Jin. My arms don't bend and straighten that much as I'm trying to drive the ball from my lower limbs and the kua/waist.
That's how I'm approaching plyo-metrics; with a more internalized movement.
marvin8 wrote:Walk the Torque wrote:Hey Marvin8,
well I think the words are "Jin Specific"; for the training of Jin, not just movement.
"All Kua" relates to the majority of of the movement/force (95%) to leave the ground comes from the Kua/Dan Tien. Done this way the exercise isolates this movement in order to work on its speed, strength and co-ordination in order to get you off the ground. Having developed this explosive power it can then be metered down to direct the force through the torso/arms and hands.
Conor uses both jin and kua (and ground force) as defined by Zhang Yun and Bruce Frantzis respectively.Zhang Yun wrote:Example: two identical twins, same size, same muscle composition – same level of li, one is a professional golfer, the other never golfs. . . His trained sibling uses something far more powerful and sophisticated. He has jin, and use it to great effect: he is able to drive the ball much further, place it on the course with much greater accuracy, and often with much less effort.
robert wrote:marvin8 wrote:Walk the Torque wrote:Hey Marvin8,
well I think the words are "Jin Specific"; for the training of Jin, not just movement.
"All Kua" relates to the majority of of the movement/force (95%) to leave the ground comes from the Kua/Dan Tien. Done this way the exercise isolates this movement in order to work on its speed, strength and co-ordination in order to get you off the ground. Having developed this explosive power it can then be metered down to direct the force through the torso/arms and hands.
Conor uses both jin and kua (and ground force) as defined by Zhang Yun and Bruce Frantzis respectively.Zhang Yun wrote:Example: two identical twins, same size, same muscle composition – same level of li, one is a professional golfer, the other never golfs. . . His trained sibling uses something far more powerful and sophisticated. He has jin, and use it to great effect: he is able to drive the ball much further, place it on the course with much greater accuracy, and often with much less effort.
At that point in the article Zhang Yun is talking about jin in a general manner; later in the article he distinguishes external jin from internal jin. Walk the Torque seems to be talking about internal jin - the type of jin trained in xinyi/xingyi, taiji, bagua, and yiquan.
marvin8 wrote:I provided Phil Daru's website channel because "brush knee" shares similar biomechanics to a straight punch. One might use the same process but with customized adjustments for "internal" movements.
Zhang Yun wrote:2.2 Taiji Quan’s approach to fighting with nei jin and wai jin
As we can see, the characteristics of nei jin and wai jin complement each other in fighting, so
it is wrong to ignore either one in our training. As each type of jin has its own unique set of
features, advantages, and disadvantages, during training we must strive to understand all of
them in detail, so that when fighting we can use each when appropriate, as dictated by the
principles of Taiji Quan.
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