grzegorz wrote:I wish I had time to verify but what I heard on the radio is that the Chinese are blaming the US for these protests which is always a bad sign.
Thanks for your detailed post Fubo I remember the mainland going after those bookstores which surprised since they had always said Hong Kong would live as one country but with two systems.
Seems that with President Xi declaring himself president for life I can't imagine people who have some freedom would be happy about that.
I also heard Beijing has indicated that it is ready to step in. I don't know if this is true but I am sure that one point they would so that the mainlanders don't get inspired to challenge Beijing.
. (the Hong Kong Dollar), legal system, legislative system, and people's rights and freedom for fifty years, as a special administrative region (SAR) of China.
.While the British were colonizers and that brutal history should not be whitewashed, what's happening today is about what the majority of Hong Kong people want and their fear that the one country two systems agreement has been compromised.
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While people want a stable Hong Kong, and want to be back at business as usual, things have changed this time. The common belief that business triumphs all in Hong Kong is not as true today, so while you have some people wanting all the protests to go away, the majority are of the same mid that fighting for their future is more important
windwalker wrote:
What do people expect to happen after 50 years.
Compromised or not the system by which it's enacted they do not control, and are subjected to changes as thought to be necessary by the controlling interest.
Fubo wrote:windwalker wrote:
What do people expect to happen after 50 years.
Compromised or not the system by which it's enacted they do not control, and are subjected to changes as thought to be necessary by the controlling interest.
Well, what people hoped was that 50 years would be enough of a buffer to push for a fully democratic system. That seems less and less likely today but in the past people had more of a “wait and see” attitude, while today there’s a sense of urgency like never before.
While the HK is people did not choose the system, they are happy with it, it the agreement came with the understanding that no changes were to be made that would comprise the best be country two systems rule. The extradition bill would have completely compromised it as it would have allowed HK people to be tried in the mainland under their laws.
windwalker wrote:
Interesting,
in 22 years or so, what future would this be when
the agreement term ends.
Fubo wrote:windwalker wrote:
Interesting,
in 22 years or so, what future would this be when
the agreement term ends.
It’s really hard to say whether Hong Kong will become just another city as part of the mainland, or if something will be put in place to somewhat keep its culture identity and or population. As far as it’s political system, if nothing comes from these or future protests it’s likely that the government will lose full autonomy over its political and legal system.
Trick wrote:The last time (umbrella movement) was orchestrated by the CIA. That young Student who was proclaimed the leader of the movement was caught(with his father) on film going in to a meeting with CIA officials...Although a year o so back that’s all forgotten ? So The alphabet org can do it all over again
These are party arguments, let's not get distracted.
apologise on CCTV, like the Chinese-born Swedish citizen who got nabbed in Pattaya, or the HK citizen who got kidnapped in Shenzhen. Canadian and US citizens are also not exempt from abduction, as we've seen.
Iran does not recognize dual nationality, meaning that American-Iranians do not receive consular assistance when arrested and are often tried behind closed doors in Iran's Revolutionary Court, which handles cases of attempted government subversion.
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