dspyrido wrote:Saying that CMA likes to tie up and control before striking is also what boxing does. Yet in boxing they still like spend a lot of time getting head movement and mobility working:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSX0PCQXiO4&feature=youtu.be
This is so that it sets up the counter attacks & timing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3IPe0OL5TY&feature=youtu.be
As does MT, kickboxing & sanda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylWvwDNsPA&feature=youtu.be
Saying that bagua, TC, XY or any other CMA style has evasion is not much use unless the training involves drilling it properly. We can find evasion moves in these systems but think about where hand contact sticking is drilled how much time is spent on this vs. how much time is spent on evasion in the same system. It's almost negligible.
Marteen & Wuji - in XYLH & in XY at a fundamental yes we see a lot more trampling & clashing until at a later stage when more nimble evasive moves are taught. Sparring tends to be introduced at a later stage but the careful introduction of evasion is not. Students are taught a few moves but the drilling and refinement which is seen in boxing, kickboxing & so forth (from the beginning) is not the same. Senior students usually have to work it out themselves.
In general CMA systems have a lot of drills and a lot of documented practices for areas of specialisation like sticking, strikes, chinna etc. They are even richer than most styles. But when it comes to evasion it almost feels like:
"Yes we have it. Here are a few moves. Now you fill in the rest."
I have not found a level of refinement has gone into evasion. Yes the forms have it hidden in plain sight but it's the drilling and perfection that I have not seen that rivals the more sports like arts.
Is this a correct assumption or are there counter examples?
dspyrido wrote:Yes there are examples of ducking or swaying but I have not seen it anywhere near as refined as boxing or how other methods are treated. Also the only "CMA" instructors that I've seen with a focus on this had a solid sanda/sports fighting background.
johnwang wrote:When someone punches you, you can
1. dodge, or
2. block and wrap his punching arm.
IMO, 2 > 1. You just can't dodge your opponent to death. Evasion is too conservative way of thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPglUktXZo0
johnwang wrote:If you can hide your head behind your rhino guard, you don't need evasion. When a rhino runs toward you, it's you that need to evade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8sLZvNf90
johnwang wrote:When a rhino runs toward you, it's you that need to evade.
marvin8 wrote: Although you promised, my requests to see a video of block and arm wrap before a normal speed punch is retracted has went unanswered.
johnwang wrote:marvin8 wrote: Although you promised, my requests to see a video of block and arm wrap before a normal speed punch is retracted has went unanswered.
Is this clip "fast" enough?
johnwang wrote:marvin8 wrote:before the arm is retracted?
This is why the arm wrap should be done when your opponent tries to punch you. The window can be small and special skill/strategy will be needed.
johnwang wrote:You have asked that rhino guard used in sparring (one guy does try to hit the other guy), and I had put up this clip.
johnwang wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjWxAqjAB84
johnwang wrote:When someone punches you, you can
1. dodge, or
2. block and wrap his punching arm.
IMO, 2 > 1. You just can't dodge your opponent to death. Evasion is too conservative way of thinking.
dspyrido wrote:If I piece together the videos its clear that JW method is a clashing guard. It will take impact of light retracted punches by getting in the way and moving in until range is compressed and grappling can happen. If an arm is left hanging then wrapping is pretty easy. This approach is similar to head shell and other clashing guards.
I'll divert from evasion to ask - how does the rhino guard handle kicks?
johnwang wrote:When your opponent punches at you, you move in with rhino guard to separate his arms away from his head (drill a hole between his arms).
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