Personal Attacks on RSF.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

As to face to face there is nothing I have ever said here that I would not say to someone's face.

Cloudz,

You asked me a question I answered and you ignored me.

Yet you continuously talk about me. Oh well...

Bill,

As I recall both you and Mike enjoy posting assasination cartoons here of politicians yet when I try to debate you guys you cut and run.

What can I say?

Mike is obsessed with a certain teenage girl and keeps slamming her online so I slam him because I think he is nothing more than what I said above.

Hell he doesn't even train.

He makes and mocks women, gays, minorities and others. I stood up to these people all of my life and I am not stopping now.

What's the point of free speech if people are afraid to use it?

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Makes one wonder who the 'snowflakes' really are.

We already knew...

[Bill]

Bill,
As I recall both you and Mike enjoy posting assasination cartoons here of politicians yet when I try to debate you guys you cut and run.

Assassination cartoons posted by myself? I cannot remember any as I'm usually going for a laugh not an outrage.

[cloudz]

I still try to stick to the old (boring?) principle that I talk to people on the Internet in roughly the same way I'd talk to them if I were talking to them face to face.

My early experiences with forums led me to think of it a bit like road rage and how that all works mentally; compared to say how you would interact walking around a busy mall or high street. I would liken being behind a wheel to being behind a keyboard; the thresh holds to rage get lower.

For me that level of detachment can often make it an impersonal medium. . Not all, but some of us probably need to work that much harder to pull it off.
I've been lucky to meet quite a lot of people over the years that would hang out on my favourite martial arts forums, and it completely changes the dynamic of interaction for me - I noticed.

[cloudz]

It's a good message to give someone who asks for some thoughts and advice..
like doing a neighbour a kind favour, or offering the benefit of your own gardening experience.

that we all have the choice to turn something off if we want, avoid or not go there.
pull out a weed from our life, so as not to bother us everytime we see it blotting our garden view.

a reminder if you will.
no more no less

the subject matter and the guilty party was hardly my making.
reasons may be reasons but they don't excuse actions in of themselves.

forgive us our tespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us!

[Giles]

My early experiences with forums led me to think of it a bit like road rage and how that all works mentally; compared to say how you would interact walking around a busy mall or high street. I would liken being behind a wheel to being behind a keyboard; the thresh holds to rage get lower.

Indeed. Or even more so, because we know that unlike 'road rage', which can kill people and put yourself in prison, mostly the 'keyboard rage' will have no significant consequences for us. Actually I nowadays tend to the belief that what goes around, comes around even in the virtual world. Not in the sense of an outraged internet enemy knocking at your real front door, but in the sense of what kind of interpersonal energy you generate. Now and 5 years in the future. It has consequences for oneself, too, in the way you feel about yourself and your self-image. Even if unconsciously.

I'm not advocating aiming for some kind of Jesus ideal, here. (With all due respect to said person.) After all, the vast majority of us here are martial artists. I experience it most strongly in sparring: up to a certain level you give it all you have, but respect and a degree of care for the other person are really important. I can get (accidentally) whacked in the face by a trusted sparring partner and I know it was an accident and also partly my mistake (left an opening), and I can laugh it off and keep training. If someone attempts to hit me or just push me in a bull-at-a-gate in an exchange where I feel he's applying 'bad spirit' then I'll tend to think ****hole and maybe stop the exchange. Before anything begins to escalate. Hmm, starting to ramble, so I'll end it here.

[Trick]

Giles,

FWIW Mike is just a bitter expat who teaches English in China with a fake degree and who can't come back.

You will find China full of these freaks. They basically just go around complaining and crapping on everything. Rather than moving on with their lives, accepting their fate and learning Chinese, they turn to the internet to make others feel their pain and suffering.

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hahaha, missed this one, where can i get fake degree in psycology. Then i could perhaps diagnose Grzegorz continous anger

[grzegorz]

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[edededed]

Rules of the Internet:
- Nobody ever convinces anybody of anything
- Nobody thinks that they are immoral
- You may as well be nice to people

...well, I exaggerate a bit.

The morality part is interesting - e.g. both the left and the right are equally self-righteous, so what is going on?
Moral foundations theory is one interesting attempt to explain it. From a different angle, groupthink is definitely a powerful factor here as well. "Groupthink" is a bit of a oxymoron to be honest - it is more like "groupfeel" as there is minimal thinking involved.

As individuals it is always good to be honest to yourself about your opinions - is this really your opinion that you thought up yourself, based on personal investigation? Or was it just absorbed from family/friends/school/media/etc.? One typical red flag is noting if your beliefs are identical to a typical ideology (e.g. cookie-cutter Democrat or Republican).

As CMA hobbyists, RSF members are, I think, more unique as individuals (and thus a bit less susceptible to groupthink) than the typical Joe Schmoe. Maybe that is why the board is so full of political debate all the time. At worst we get exposure to how people think from many different locations around the world.

Anyway, be nice!

[grzegorz]

Giles,

FWIW Mike is just a bitter expat who teaches English in China with a fake degree and who can't come back.

You will find China full of these freaks. They basically just go around complaining and crapping on everything. Rather than moving on with their lives, accepting their fate and learning Chinese, they turn to the internet to make others feel their pain and suffering.

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hahaha, missed this one, where can i get fake degree in psycology. Then i could perhaps diagnose Grzegorz continous anger

Only if I can pay with beer.

[grzegorz]

Anyway, I thought Mike had relocated to Texas some time back. So, Greg is sort of stepping on the rake with that quoted insult. *ouch!*

I never said that these expats never come back. In fact I am sure as old age approaches most do.

But it is probably a good thing. Coming back to the reality that is the US is tough though after years of being treated as "special" in Asia just because if your passport.

Takes a long time to find a good job after living abroad. Basically no one here gives a damn about your ESL experience.

Not picking on anyone, it took me ten years of hard work to find a good job so I can contribute to living in the expensive ass bay area but it happened. I don't have to run off to Texas, Arizona, Idaho or Oregon as many of my neighbors, friends and family have. I got lucky.

I wish anyone and everyone here well but I won't stand for ignorant behavior but as I said before I will give those offended by me a "safe space" because I got better things to do and hopefully they do too instead of attacking a 16 year old girl.

Funny how that works. They repeatedly attack a 16 year old girl (after others here politely ask them to stop) but if I attack these grown men then suddenly I am the asshole.

[greytowhite]

Eh, Michael's a garbage human judging by his posts.

[Michael]

On a thread decrying personal attacks, you lob more. I think you missed the point, but that's typical internet.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

On a thread decrying personal attacks, you lob more. I think you missed the point, but that's typical internet.

On the contrary, enough people recognize you as the poisonous person that you are and say that you deserve these attacks. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I'd also echo Greg and highlight that I would say anything in person that I have said here, with the caveat that what I was responding to would have to be said to my face first, which I find unlikely.

[Michael]

I find it inappropriate to insult the other members of this forum and will no longer respond to those who do so.