Steve James wrote:Bruce, my point about bona fides was that you seemed to be suggest that climate scientists weren’t aware of geothermal and other reasons for climate changes and glacial melting. But you cite articles from NOAA researchers. That’s way different than ridiculing Greta.
It may be true that glacial melting and ocean warming are not caused by human actions. However, in this thread, there have been arguments that measurements of ocean and air temperatures can’t be accurate, and that climate change is a myth created by people with an agenda. Warming oceans have an effect. Humans have to prepare. Ragging on Greta does nothing.
Is it likely that humans will be able to affect subterranean geological forces? Probably not in my lifetime. I agree that if those forces are the primary cause of ocean warming, carbon taxes and reducing plane traffic won’t have much effect. OTOH, the earth and the climate as we know it is the product of geological forces that have been ongoing and will continue. Climate changes due to geothermal causes are as inevitable as tectonic shifts. Humans have to deal with those changes. It is valid to question the rate of climate change and the ways it has been affected by human activity. We can discuss those issues without talking about Greta or anyone. Well, ridiculing me is fine
jimmy wrote:wow... i'm just glad to hear mckinley's name spoken again in polite company. wish that fella would come on up to the house....
California’s Wildfires Are 500 Percent Larger Due to Climate Change
In New Climate, California's Wildfires Are 500 Percent Larger - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... es/594016/
Not buying your explanation regards bona fides. I was just making it up...
I never claimed that climate scientists weren't aware of how geothermal flux IS affecting glacial melt. I simply stated that it hasn't been included in the conversation (nor in this thread), and I implied that until it is, the overall climate modeling won't provide a very accurate picture. And I sure as hell didn't say anything about it being a main driver in climate change.
The phenomenon refutes much of the assertion that climate change is the reason ice is disappearing. For those who are having a hard time following along, that does not imply that human activity isn't a contributing factor to rising temps. It's all connected and geothermal flux is definitely a contributing factor in the entropy of climate beyond glacial loss. Its effects are being more closely studied as a component of rising ocean temps. Moreover, it is far from being a localized phenomena as it's affecting more than just glaciers - and not always negatively.
If you bing or ddg "global warming causing greenland (or antarctic) ice to melt", you'll see that lots of misinformation has been bandied for years.
Yeah, Steve. More than 18000 posts, one would would think you know what you're talking about all the time - like this time, when you state that people opposed to the climate alarmist kid are just jealous of the attention they're getting. Yeah, envy, that's it, eh, Steve? sheesh...
denigrate....debase...put on airs of refined intellect while demonstrating zero ability to elevate a discussion...win!
Steve James wrote:Ah, it doesn't matter whether you buy my point about bona fides or not. I can tell you that bona fides isn't a matter of Googling. On this topic, if you're not a scientist with your own research, your opinion is no more authoritative than anyone else's on RSF. Neither can you know what anyone else knows. It's fine to say "You heard it here first," but you have no idea.
It's true that geothermal warming wasn't mentioned in this thread until you brought it up. I didn't reject it or deny that it happens. I reject the idea that scientists haven't known about it. In any case, it's not something that humans can manage, and it's been happening since the beginning of the planet. It's not a reason to increase any anthropogenic contributions to global warming. At least it acknowledges that something is happening. Maybe everyone is wrong.
None of the arguments you've made about cc legitimizes ridiculing Greta. I doubt that many scientists are making jokes and cartoon memes about her. Nothing you've said changes my opinion about people who do.
Steve James wrote:denigrate....debase...put on airs of refined intellect while demonstrating zero ability to elevate a discussion...win!
Here's a geoscience guy (maybe he's one of them gotdanged climate change deniers) who thinks geothermal flux is a threat to the Himalays. The jury's still out as there isn't enough data being gathered to nail anything down just yet:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _HIMALAYAS
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