wayne hansen wrote:The problem I see today is that people not being willing to search out and train in the old ways
Peacedog wrote:Whut no CrossFit bro?
Bhassler wrote:wayne hansen wrote:The problem I see today is that people not being willing to search out and train in the old ways
Either unwilling, or they don't realize there's actually something different to be found.
The good news is that I'm seeing more and more MMA/kickboxing/boxing/BJJ schools that aren't producing fighters, either. They're taking the sport training of MMA and converting it to proper McDojo training to capitalize on everyone's desire to feel like a badass without having to be uncomfortable or work. Soon, the playing field will be level, and the market will be ready for the next big sensation. Can't wait!
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If you consider it from that point of view, the lack of pressure testing in CMA makes sense. As society got more stable, people were coming to learn CMA but without the background in fighting people had before. The training methods didn't change a whole lot, but the people practicing did.
In the past, for example in pre-20th century China, violence was much more a part of everyday life, particularly in the rural areas. Villages would fight each other, there was banditry etc etc
He was alone in Hong Kong in November, 1980, only to promote a karate movie on a talk show. Look what had transpired in 24 hours, he thought.
Someone in the TV studio audience had stood up and called him nothing but an actor, a sham of a fighter. The man--who turned out to be a Hong Kong kick boxing champion--challenged Urquidez to a death match. Urquidez demanded $20,000 and a mink coat, calling the man’s bluff. The challenger’s promoter met Urquidez the next day, however, handed over the cash and the coat and drove him to the noisy warehouse.
Trick wrote:That’s news,that he traveled trough (mainland?)China(back in the 80’s?). In Japan he was, and became a living legend there.. However his own style of martial art goes under the somehow traditional sounding name ‘Ukidokan’
chenyaolong wrote:What I think a lot of people fail to realise in this argument is the context of which CMA grew up in.
Nowadays, when people choose a martial arts, the majority of them are starting from absolutely zero.... a lot of middle class, white collars looking for some kind of hobby and having no previous experience of real world violence. They are signing up for their martial art of choice with the expectation it is going to teach them how to fight from nothing.
In the past, for example in pre-20th century China, violence was much more a part of everyday life, particularly in the rural areas. Villages would fight each other, there was banditry etc etc. The majority of people weren't going from their comfortable life to learn *how* to fight, but were already experienced in it, and were looking for a way to get an edge. They didn't need someone to take them out of their comfort zones and be shown how to block punches, how to hit someone from the correct distance, or how to maintain their cool under pressure. They were learning more efficient ways of generating power, more efficient ways of receiving force, and more unorthodox techniques their opponent wouldn't expect.
If you consider it from that point of view, the lack of pressure testing in CMA makes sense. As society got more stable, people were coming to learn CMA but without the background in fighting people had before. The training methods didn't change a whole lot, but the people practicing did.
This is just my opinion, I could be completely wrong.... but I think its worth consideration.
Shame on you for not knowing that Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez made two films with Jackie Chan:
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:
That is logical, and I do know that there are real fighters in the CMA world. But, why are there so many videos of supposed grandmasters from older generations (I'm thinking for example of the old black and white footage of the white crane and taiji fight in a boxing ring way back when) who clearly just sucked and had no idea how to fight, even on a basic level? Did things degenerate that fast? In one generation?
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