Overlord wrote:According to Hong’s late students, Hong Yixiang was both (heavy) powerful and sneaky.
He had three stages of students, I think Su and Luo Dexiu was the second stage.
According to what I heard from the last stage of student, Hong Yixiang forearm is so thick and his palm is so heavy that simple slap can cause bruise on the hip. The best description is heavy but not fancy 大工不巧~
Hong’s Xingyi and Bagua is particularly unique and interesting, it preserved so much materials lost in China.
Overlord wrote:it preserved so much materials lost in China.
Trick wrote:Overlord wrote:it preserved so much materials lost in China.
As what? (Please put it in English writing so all understand)
Trick wrote:Ok, I’ll take that as nothing is lost on the mainland XYQ/BGZ
C.J.W. wrote:Anyway, back to Su's clip. I actually posted it because I was interested in hearing what you guys have to say about his performance against an outsider with a background in a different art that didn't tank for him.
I would say the WC guy actually did a decent job neutralizing Su's entries and preventing him from executing techniques smoothly -- to the point where Su would often have to go to his "dummy" student in order to complete the moves he wanted to demonstrate.
With Su's track record, there's no doubt he's a great fighter. However, I've always felt that his modified XY/BG/TJ method relies too much on shoufa (hand methods), hand speed, and transitions to gain entry. So when dealing with someone who is also good at the those things, like the WC guy, he is likely to run into some trouble.
Against someone with fast hands, my solution is usually to by-pass or nullify the arms by attacking the body and taking away the opponent's balance with heavy XY strikes -- and BG footwork.
Overlord wrote:Having say that Su does have agility of hands skills but lack the heaviness that Hong had.
And yes also Hong’s footwork.
Bhassler wrote:Overlord wrote:Having say that Su does have agility of hands skills but lack the heaviness that Hong had.
And yes also Hong’s footwork.
Have you ever met Su, or are you basing this all on Youtube videos? For that matter, did you ever meet Hong?
Overlord wrote:In the early days, Master Hong did teach student certain killer move because of competition. Su is well known for certain move. These move is not something you can “play with”.
Having say that Su does have agility of hands skills but lack the heaviness that Hong had.
And yes also Hong’s footwork.
Hong had three stages of students. Had you ever encountered stage three students by any chance?
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