Pennykid wrote:If Jon had stuck with Stephen Yan and focussed on the shuaijiao and qinna in the arts that Dr. Yan taught, I think he would have had lots of practical fighting skills. Grappling is grappling whether it comes from Asia or elsewhere.
Finny wrote:Good to see you again J_B!
I'll listen to the podcast later, but maybe a spoiler first - do you still practice Dai at all?
GrahamB wrote:Jon Dyer used to post here back in the day (or one of the days - there have been many eras of The Fist).
It’s a pretty no holds barred discussion.
Some points I picked up:
He’s spent years doing hours of hard training in obscure Xin Yi styles that require hours of gruelling training a day, and he’s never actually met anyone who could really throw down with it. (This is a major flaw with Chinese styles, I think - the huge amount of solo training required).
He’s met a lot of unscrupulous Chinese teacher more interested in money than anything else. This seems very common.
Also he mentions that CMA seems to attract weirdos. It’s full of weirdos. Again, no arguments there
Eventually he quits it all for BJJ, Muay Thai and MMA He finds that it attracts more genuine people. Of course, the inherant irony here is that he's one of the CMA people himself. My experience is that there's a lot of crossover between BJJ and CMA. You also get plenty of weirdos in BJJ too, but there's somethign about the reality-based training that changes them quickly, or they quit quickly. (Just my opinion)
My thoughts were that he’s been really unlucky in who he’s met, in one sense, but lucky to have trained these really rare styles in detail and in China. Although, he doesn't sound like the victim of circumstance - he makes his own fate. Personally I can't imagine spending hours a day training something when I had no real sense that it 'worked' as a combat method. You live and you learn I guess.
It makes me wonder how much you should be training a day. An answer that would change at different ages and points in your life. I guess for me the answer is ‘as much as you want to’. I’ve always thought that it’s more about striking a balance and consistency of how regular your training is rather than how long in each session.
Anyway, it's a very interesting podcast.
nicklinjm wrote:@ Jon D - commiserations for all the crap you went through with your various teachers, can totally understand why you eventually made the switch. From what Jarek has said Li Zunsi really had the 'goods', just a shame he didn't leave behind that many students.
Can't recommend Ryan's (Fatal Rose) podcast enough, have put a link to it on my blog as well (http://wulinmingshi.com/2020/04/16/talking-fists-podcast-interview-with-jon-dyer-dai-style-xinyi/).
Dai Zhi Qiang wrote:Finny wrote:Good to see you again J_B!
I'll listen to the podcast later, but maybe a spoiler first - do you still practice Dai at all?
No Dai I mostly concentrate on Muay Thai now and BJJ, I'll still practice a few select movements for health reasons and if I feel like it.
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