what is an “Chinese nationalist” ? Has here come around a National socialist party as in a Nazi party?. I have seen an uptick in harassment from the Chinese nationalists
Trick wrote:As OP give a short explaination who or what Serpenta is ?
Trick wrote:If one has been around in China for a while and has an eye for it one can see/recognize them the civil police(here in China) that keeps an occasional eye on foreigners. Understandably there’s more of them in the big cities, you spot them in bars, cafes and similar, and most certainly within foreign businessess operating here in China(quite understandably to my mind) they even approach in bars cafes(without reveling who they are, of course) for a little chatting.......And the thing is, here are these “spies” from other nations too, US, Israel and North Korea I know of.......Its quite interesting when one know this, especially when one know who is what...without them knowing you know......
marvin8 wrote:SNIP
Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common. SNIP
yeniseri wrote:Even since the Falungong fiasco (my baseline) China has been updating its 'honeypot" technology and exporting to numerous countries in EU and Americas. My experience was when I was looking to attend Falungong and the whole phenomenon on why the sudden blowback and on attending some events (usually at university locations), I noticed that the women only events had an odd "data collection" character (they will ask for your name, address, email etc and actually go down a list of why people were interested in Falungong, who taught you, etc which is far more that any qigong group requested when signing up!. They tended to be off campus but still affiliated with the local university. In some case, I observed what appeared tobe phototaking of vehicle numbers of those attending events. At that time, I paid no attention but I realized some thing was up (to say the least!) on this behavioural thing going on.
Later, I began seeing headliens in Hong Kong newspapers, that depending on one's status within the structure/organization (student, organizer or 'foreigner',) they employed hacking 'professionals' (usually students at nearby institutions to do surveillance on th eindividual. In some instances, these "students" broke into the individual's place of residence and theretened them to stay away from Falungong. There were a few cases of groups of these 'students' beating up people to show the long arm of government party enforcement. Public Security has an inside unit to deal with Falungong called 951 Group (do not recall the actual designation! or something like that and their goal is to raise hell for Falungong and the Organization.
An American friend who taught English at the technology university in Dalian, was asked to either stop his US “propaganda” or leave the university, he left.vadaga wrote:marvin8 wrote:SNIP
Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common. SNIP
When I was a the Hopkins Nanjing Center 15 years ago or so, it was a 1 year program with a 50-50 ratio of mainland and international students (about 150 students total). It came to light during the course of the year that the national safety bureau - the Chinese Stasi (different from the civil police- one registers with the local station of the civil police each time one moves, but otherwise has minimal contact with the normal police) came around once a month to interview the Chinese students to see if the international students were doing anything suspicious. Out of the 75 Chinese students only one of them let the international students know about the info gathering that was going on. Bearing in mind that this was during a much more relaxed time in China and pre smartphones, I cannot for one second think that the spying has relaxed these days. That being said, I don't remember anything similar from my time at Fudan at the turn of the century, but I think HNC was a bit more high profile.
it’s not that people are continuously followed and “brought in” for questioning all the times. If you are seen as having nothing to hide, an regular guy, nothing gonna happen....You can go on have a good fun life here in Chinamarvin8 wrote:fTrick wrote:If one has been around in China for a while and has an eye for it one can see/recognize them the civil police(here in China) that keeps an occasional eye on foreigners. Understandably there’s more of them in the big cities, you spot them in bars, cafes and similar, and most certainly within foreign businessess operating here in China(quite understandably to my mind) they even approach in bars cafes(without reveling who they are, of course) for a little chatting.......And the thing is, here are these “spies” from other nations too, US, Israel and North Korea I know of.......Its quite interesting when one know this, especially when one know who is what...without them knowing you know......
Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common.
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