what is Internal Martial Art

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what is Internal Martial Art

Postby mark1 on Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:17 am

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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Subitai on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:14 pm

mark1 wrote:https://youtu.be/1apzUP4zSJw


In less than a minute...heard all I needed to hear before I know what his level of understanding is!

"you know...if they're external, your movement is big, clumsy, hard, stiff...."

Yeah, i'm saying I disagree!

SMH...wrong...internal and external are both of the same coin. CMA is beautiful hard or soft...with proper power, structure and connected body language.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:21 pm

Even though this is something that has been revisited again and again here, it's a very worthy topic. Especially as people who aren't fighters or competitors began to take over the discourse on internal strength/power which opened the door for people who didn't even do CMA to claim that they, alone, had internal power.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Subitai on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:28 pm

Yeah your're correct Ian...

It just irks me so much...the general (mistaken) idea that External movements are: "big, clumsy, hard, stiff..." It's an over generalization, that is far from true.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:51 pm

Hey, your contributions are part of the ongoing discourse and need to be a part of it. From what I have seen, your taijiquan is very nice.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby marvin8 on Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:40 pm

Subitai wrote:
mark1 wrote:https://youtu.be/1apzUP4zSJw


In less than a minute...heard all I needed to hear before I know what his level of understanding is!

"you know...if they're external, your movement is big, clumsy, hard, stiff...."

Yeah, i'm saying I disagree!

SMH...wrong...internal and external are both of the same coin. CMA is beautiful hard or soft...with proper power, structure and connected body language.

Wait...within the first minute Paul says what you are saying. I think you both agree. :)
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Bao on Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:31 am

He gives no definition on internal. What does he mean with internal? Internal nonsense? The whole discussion becomes nonsensical because he gives no definition or explain what he means.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby GrahamB on Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:28 am

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The missing word at the end is "shortsighted." He's talking about the formation of Guoshu "national arts" in the 1920/30s-ish.

I think they've been fighting ever since ;D

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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby GrahamB on Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:46 am

Subitai wrote:
mark1 wrote:https://youtu.be/1apzUP4zSJw


In less than a minute...heard all I needed to hear before I know what his level of understanding is!


yeah, I think you've fired too early there - he's actually saying the opposite.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Strange on Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:50 am

The wind was flapping the temple flag and two monks started an argument. One said the flag moved, the other said the wind moved. They argued back and forth but could not reach a conclusion. The Sixth Patriarch said, “It is not the wind that moves, it is not the flag that moves, it is your honourable minds that move.” The monks were awe-struck.

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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Bhassler on Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:09 am

GrahamB wrote:Image

The missing word at the end is "shortsighted." He's talking about the formation of Guoshu "national arts" in the 1920/30s-ish.

I think they've been fighting ever since ;D

Book by Ben Judkins - it's really good.


So you're saying the UFC was started in 1928?
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm

The soft becomes hard
The hard soft
It is the practicioners who dictates if it is internal or external
That doesn't mean there is not a unique Shen fa for both arts and that if you do the Shen fa of the other you have left one domain and enter the other
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby dspyrido on Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:31 pm

He sounds like an internal martial artist. When asked a question receive a response that lasts for 5 minutes but doesn't answer the question.

The difference is in the training practices.

An internal martial artist is a martial artists that focuses training more on the internal side of training practices. I'm guessing everyone here knows the distinction & can list them out.
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Re: what is Internal Martial Art

Postby Trick on Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:27 pm

. He sounds like an internal martial artist. When asked a question receive a response that lasts for 5 minutes but doesn't answer the question.

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The difference is in the training practices.

An internal martial artist is a martial artists that focuses training more on the internal side of training practices. I'm guessing everyone here knows the distinction & can list them out.
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