GrahamB wrote:Well, that's a co-incidence! I have no time to write you long detailed replies to questions already answered in the podcasts and I doubt your ability to understand them anyway.
Have a happy fucking day!
does it rhyme so beautiful in Chinese too ?salcanzonieri wrote:
Example of some lines of the poem:
"Tie your coat and come outside
Single whip with sudden stride
Without the courage to advance
Sharp eyes fast hands will have no chance"
"Golden rooster stands on top
Present your leg then sideways chop
Rush in low then trip the bull
Then cry to heaven loud and full"
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Trick wrote:does it rhyme so beautiful in Chinese too ?salcanzonieri wrote:
Example of some lines of the poem:
"Tie your coat and come outside
Single whip with sudden stride
Without the courage to advance
Sharp eyes fast hands will have no chance"
"Golden rooster stands on top
Present your leg then sideways chop
Rush in low then trip the bull
Then cry to heaven loud and full"
.
GrahamB wrote:My experience is that if you mention any connection between theatrical and religious content and martial arts then martial arts people (living today) get aggressively upset about it. They just don't like it. In one sense, it's irrelevant - it was so long ago that it has little bearing on today's martial arts - most Chinese martial arts have had the religious and theatrical elements stripped out now for over 100 years. But, I think it's an interesting angle and it's good to conisder the melting pot these arts came out of.
"And that maybe the names of moves in the Chen martial art were retroactively fitted to movements in Chen martial art (which wasn't named Tai Chi Quan yet)"
I think that's my guess. When the Chen family (via Chen Zhaopi) encountered the commercial Beijing martial arts scene in 1928, which had been going for 70 odd years at that point, they probably realised they'd stepped on a gold mine. I can imagine it now: 'so, all I have to do is make my martial arts look a bit like this "Tai Chi" stuff you're all doing and you'll pay me all this money to teach you forms? And I dont' have to fight any bandits???? OK....'
Hong Quan gets a mention often as a possible thing Yang LuChan had learned before Beijing. You can find Yang style Tai Chi Quan postures in it for sure.
This is all speculation, of course.
GrahamB wrote:Chen Yanxi is discussed in episode 6 of our podcast:
https://www.spreaker.com/user/9404101/5 ... ernisers-v
On the second point – I agree – the Chen style moves differently, especially the silk reeling, and it that very well might be because Yang LuChan never even went to Chen village. That explains so much.
GrahamB wrote:I have no idea what Chen Xiaowang did or didn't know - he was initially taught by Chen Zhaopi (the last member of the Chen family clan to actually fight bandits) and I presume he was taught applications, push hands etc. I've no idea why he wouldn't have been.... Zhaopi made it his mission to pass TJQ on in the village.
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