johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
Different schools have different principles, and they all strive to uphold their principles. Therefore, the principles cannot be lost. If lost, the measures (of a technique) will be in confusion. If one is able to lay his foundation on the principles so as to push forward till the end (i.e. persistent all through), then that is the perfect way. There is a certain principle behind the fact that rulers can be used to draw squares and compasses can be used to draw circles.
johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
windwalker wrote:johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
Is it missing, or by design?
History of each style comes into play when talking about perceived limitations
How close practitioners of the style adhere to the style in performance giving the expected flavor of the style.
Depends on the person's skill, understanding, maybe more importantly experience within the context it's used in.
How should one judge it?
By the usage according to style, or by performance regardless of style?
If by performance, does style matter ?
If by style, does performance matter ?
A noted problem for CMA.
What is practiced does not seem carry over to real world usage still retaining the flavor
regardless of out come..
A distinct departure from CMA's historical past, where Practitioners were noted on usage of their proclaimed style.Different schools have different principles, and they all strive to uphold their principles. Therefore, the principles cannot be lost. If lost, the measures (of a technique) will be in confusion. If one is able to lay his foundation on the principles so as to push forward till the end (i.e. persistent all through), then that is the perfect way. There is a certain principle behind the fact that rulers can be used to draw squares and compasses can be used to draw circles.
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Bao wrote:Interesting vid. The WC guy was IMO the better fighter right from the start, though his punches felt a bit weak. Thought the Muay Thai dude was only "so so". Good Thai boxers are far more aggressive.
What the WC guy did excellent was to just run in and close the gap, too close for the Thai guy so he could hardly utilise any kicks at all. The WC dude seemed to know exactly what to do. Indeed very interesting.johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
In real fighting people tend to be quite stationary and not run around a lot. Real fighting, not talking about sports. If you do sports you should train footwork in the very same format you compete in. Form running doesn't really help. IMHO.
GrahamB wrote:I've seen Ip man 4 - you can't tell me there's anything missing from Wing Chun - it's perfect!
dspyrido wrote:Having trained for several years in both WC and MT I can safely say they have both great qualities.
With WC IRL I have knocked out guys with a tap using a straight. The surprise factor just caught them out. But put gloves on and it all gets nerfed. Stepping is also crap unless the angled stance is adopted and springing on the toes. That said WC sticking legs and short ranged kicks can complement MT's longer kicking.
Most know the benefits of MT so no need to go into it.
There's many pros and cons of both styles but I find there are parts that are great compliments.
johnwang wrote:One major concern about the WC system is the missing of fast footwork training.
GrandUltimate wrote:In terms of the forms, that kind of fast type footwork is actually in the last form in Yip Man lineages, the baat jaam dao. The advancing and retreating should ideally be like the speed of running, while also using the knives. This also includes stepping in at angles and movement like quarter turns.
That said, a lot of people don't get to the baat jaam dao, so they may end up screwed if they don't pick up this footwork from drills or something else.
johnwang wrote:Do you think it may be too later to train footwork until the weapon training stage?
MaartenSFS wrote:I feel like the whole not being able to use your art because of gloves thing should have gone away when MMA gloves were invented. I can trap with boxing gloves, but most of these are circular techniques which are less likely to get hung up, but if it doesn't work with MMA gloves then I'm not sure if it would ever work, frankly. I feel like the gentleman in the video could have done some side steps to come at his opponent from different angles. I feel like I've seen that in WC. I only learned the first two forms and did a lot of drilling, but preferred to use other things when it came to sparring. It was very interesting that he combined the knee strikes from MT with his WC - elbows too possibly, but it seems like they were illegal.
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