But the Yangs and Wu’s moved to Shanghai/Nanjing area where the big bucks and big fame could be made made . Why did not the Chen’s follow them at that point, ok, perhaps a Taiji vacuum had been left behind in Beijing when the Yangs and Wus left which the Chen’s took advantage of ?GrahamB wrote:Chen Yanxi taught was "Chen family Boxing" - not Taijiquan, i.e. before anybody with the surname Chen had encountered this thing called "Taijiquan" that was taught in Beijing. It's pretty easy for an experienced (and real) martial artist to learn a form and adapt it to his way of doing things, which is what happened once the Chen people encountered Taijiquan in Beijing and realised that this was an easy way to support yourself financially.
Yeung wrote: Taijiquan practitioners promoting the use of brute force and Qinna.
Trick wrote:But the Yangs and Wu’s moved to Shanghai/Nanjing area where the big bucks and big fame could be made made . Why did not the Chen’s follow them at that point, ok, perhaps a Taiji vacuum had been left behind in Beijing when the Yangs and Wus left which the Chen’s took advantage of ?GrahamB wrote:Chen Yanxi taught was "Chen family Boxing" - not Taijiquan, i.e. before anybody with the surname Chen had encountered this thing called "Taijiquan" that was taught in Beijing. It's pretty easy for an experienced (and real) martial artist to learn a form and adapt it to his way of doing things, which is what happened once the Chen people encountered Taijiquan in Beijing and realised that this was an easy way to support yourself financially.
Anyway everyone knew Shanghai and Nanjing were the hotspots of opportunities in China at the time, even the villagers in Chen village must have known that ?
GrahamB wrote:Trick wrote:But the Yangs and Wu’s moved to Shanghai/Nanjing area where the big bucks and big fame could be made made . Why did not the Chen’s follow them at that point, ok, perhaps a Taiji vacuum had been left behind in Beijing when the Yangs and Wus left which the Chen’s took advantage of ?GrahamB wrote:Chen Yanxi taught was "Chen family Boxing" - not Taijiquan, i.e. before anybody with the surname Chen had encountered this thing called "Taijiquan" that was taught in Beijing. It's pretty easy for an experienced (and real) martial artist to learn a form and adapt it to his way of doing things, which is what happened once the Chen people encountered Taijiquan in Beijing and realised that this was an easy way to support yourself financially.
Anyway everyone knew Shanghai and Nanjing were the hotspots of opportunities in China at the time, even the villagers in Chen village must have known that ?
What years are you talking about? The Chens arrived late to the Tai Chi party. Chen Zhaopi didn't move to Beijing and start teaching Tai Chi (the first Chen to do this) until 1928.
Trick wrote:Yeung wrote: Taijiquan practitioners promoting the use of brute force and Qinna.
But the equivalent to the art of Qinna in Japan is called Jujutsu(soft techniques), wouldn’t that be the same approach in Chinese qinna ? So why can’t that be part of TJQ?
Yeung wrote:My working definition of “brute force” for IMA is voluntary concentric muscle contraction.
marvin8 wrote:Trick wrote:Yeung wrote: Taijiquan practitioners promoting the use of brute force and Qinna.
But the equivalent to the art of Qinna in Japan is called Jujutsu(soft techniques), wouldn’t that be the same approach in Chinese qinna ? So why can’t that be part of TJQ?
Also per Yeung's definition of "brute force," brute force is part of TJQ. As studies have proven, both concentric and eccentric muscle contractions are used in TJQ movements.
"A working definition of "brute force:"Yeung wrote:My working definition of “brute force” for IMA is voluntary concentric muscle contraction.
wayne hansen wrote:I have yet to see a martial art that uses brute force
Always refined energy to some degree
That is the side effect of training
Yeung wrote:marvin8 wrote:Also per Yeung's definition of "brute force," brute force is part of TJQ. As studies have proven, both concentric and eccentric muscle contractions are used in TJQ movements.
"A working definition of "brute force:"Yeung wrote:My working definition of “brute force” for IMA is voluntary concentric muscle contraction.
For your reference:
https://www.archives-pmr.org/action/sho ... %2990042-X
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/37/4/339.full.pdf
Actually, it is interesting to workout which is which as electromyograph can not tell the difference, nor the combine use of both forces. Please do not quote out of context.
GrahamB wrote:I don't know - maybe Yang Cheng Fu didn't fancy taking on the Chens suddenly arriving in Beijing and got the hell out of dodge? The Chens had an existing Tai Chi market to exploit there, and were going to do so.
Or maybe they were all just going where the Republic told them to go? There was a lot going on politically in 1928.
marvin8 wrote:I didn't. I quoted your definition and linked the entire context (thread).
Like all your other "references," none say TJQ only uses eccentric muscle contraction, not concentric. Can you clarify your own statement(s)?
Trick wrote:Yeung wrote: Taijiquan practitioners promoting the use of brute force and Qinna.
But the equivalent to the art of Qinna in Japan is called Jujutsu(soft techniques), wouldn’t that be the same approach in Chinese qinna ? So why can’t that be part of TJQ?
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