Glima - glimma, in English glimmering, it actually refers to lightning strike, something very quick, which describe how an technique should be applied, so quick and unexpected so impossible to defend against..........I’ll add.. we have to discuss Glima, which is full of it's own sorts of problems....
Trick wrote:I wanted to reflect how the makings has change I Sweden..Let’s say as pointed out in the OP that martial arts didn’t make its public establishment until in the 1970’s, and yes back then I would say that all Japanese and Chinese martial arts in Sweden belonged to Kamp Konst(MA’s) while Boxing and wrestling where Kamp(martial) Sport, but about a decade later some Japanese martial arts where more and more put in the Sport category....even the Judo branch of the Swedish Budo Association broke away to form its own association with the slogan “Judo isn’t Budo” kind of meaning it’s not Art anymore, it’s a sport.
yes I’ll guess I’m older however Chinese Karate was not around when I grew up it was KungFu, however in the US it might have been Chinese Karate in the 60’s and earlier......Anyway Kung-Fu Clubs was almost non existent in Sweden when I grew up...and actually one guy that inspired me to take up...Karate was “Shang-Chi mästaren på Karate” as the comic magazine name was(early 70’s). ...so I give you a little right there. I don't know... You are probably a bit older than me and maybe remember things better. But as far as I remember everything was called kampsport - "sport" and Chinese martial arts was regarded as Chinese "Karate"
Steve James wrote:Boxing culture has nothing to compare to Chinese opera. Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, and Jet Li came out of that tradition.
robert wrote:Steve James wrote:Boxing culture has nothing to compare to Chinese opera. Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, and Jet Li came out of that tradition.
Jet Li was on the Beijing Wushu team. He was a wushu star before becoming a movie star.
wayne hansen wrote:When I started Tang Shou Tao in 1973 It was called Chinese Karate as no one knew what Kung fu was
TST was the same characters that karate used before they changed the one for tang to empty
The same is true of Tae Kwon Do it was originally tong soo do
China hand way
Steve James wrote:Wushu, like opera, was primarily a performance. It's the show aspect that's traditional. It's the difference between stuff practiced in costumes and stuff practiced in t-shirts.
Steve James wrote:My point was that Beijing Wushu tradition was related to the Beijing Opera --not the acting or singing, but the ma training.
Wushu is martial arts. The competitions in China include sanda. When they tour they perform. There's a difference.
wayne hansen wrote:When I started Tang Shou Tao in 1973 It was called Chinese Karate as no one knew what Kung fu was
TST was the same characters that karate used before they changed the one for tang to empty
The same is true of Tae Kwon Do it was originally tong soo do
China hand way
Bao wrote:Trick wrote:Martial arts.. the “art” may refer to what by many is seen as an sort of performance art -kata , taolu......Which western Boxing and wrestling do not have..So perhaps the name “martial art” came along by westerners when the East Asian combat practice methods where introduced to westerners....?. Why was it asked whether boxing or wrestling were martial arts or not? Or, when and why was this difference invented?
You (both of you) forget the expression "The Noble Art of Boxing." How old this is I don't know exactly. But from what I have found, it is mentioned in print, in English books dating as early as 1755. I have also found a sign on a door mentioned in a history book that is supposed to have been dated from about the 1720s with the inscription: "The Academy of the noble art of boxing."
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