Bob wrote:In the case of Cartmell that is his translation of Sun Lu Tang's book (I believe Cartmell may have learned directly under Sun Jian Yun but I am not sure) and Tyrey was simply conveying what Sun Lu Tang's daughter( Sun Jian Yun) told him and he also studied directly under her and done translations of Sun Lu Tang's works.
So you would rather listen to their word before Sun Lutang himself?
Yes Cartmell and Tyrey were direct students of Sun Jianyun. That doesn’t mean that they have understood everything or that everything they say is true.
Cartmell has written things as that Sun Lutang invented the term ”Neijiaquan” and that Sun designed his form so that you fight exactly as you do the form. If you or other people want to believe this and everything else he says they can do so. I don’t care.
I’ve had extremely well respected teachers who have studied with famous and well known masters as well. But I have brain enough to understand, and I am willing to admit, when they are wrong or speak BS.