", I realized that Gong Bu is not using force pushing forward. It uses Yao-Kua turning and Song Chen to the front leg. Also, the back leg is not using force at all. My master said, "under the feet has to be stable, so it has a root.", the root is created down to the ground, not by a horizontal force pushing upward.
In training boxing, one must use Yao lead feet, not using feet to push Yao. So, every time doing Gong Bu, one must keep in mind that Yao is the commander, and whatever the full or empty legs, they must be stable. To train for stability under the feet, I used to practice the form on a slippy floor and even with straw and sand on the floor, to make it even more slippy under my feet."
Its incorrect and misleading... When one's form is correct there is no confusion regarding the principles body requirements. The picture is not a good example of best practice.
oragami_itto wrote:According to Damon BramichIts incorrect and misleading... When one's form is correct there is no confusion regarding the principles body requirements. The picture is not a good example of best practice.
Doc Stier wrote:oragami_itto wrote:According to Damon BramichIts incorrect and misleading... When one's form is correct there is no confusion regarding the principles body requirements. The picture is not a good example of best practice.
Agreed. It looks double weighted to me, if it is the final stance position of weight distribution at the completion of the posture.
oragami_itto wrote:According to Damon BramichI... When one's form is correct there is no confusion regarding the principles body requirements.
The picture is not a good example of best practice.
co-lee wrote:Agree w/ Bao and w/ Liang that there shouldn't be a horizontal component of force against the ground thru the front foot. If there is horizontal force along the ground thru the front foot, you're either bracing with the rear foot or relying on friction along the front foot. Or both. (Most people seem to do both: brace and count on friction. And it's really hard to know what Liang means by "the root is created down to the ground, not by a horizontal force pushing upward". Horizontal forces by definition don't push up, they push parallel to the ground. That's what horizontal means...)
And also agree w/ various folks Damon and Doc that the picture sure looks double weighted. Interestingly that configuration basically guarantees that there is horizontal force against the ground, thru both feet this time. So, amusing to see the description immediately contradicted by the picture.
Of course, it's impossible to tell from a picture without touching. And standard disclaimer, I'm sure all these people were more skilled than I...
Back leg is another issue, esp'ly around how to correctly use it in relation to the ground and the expressed force. But, you'll never get there if the back leg is having to hold you up in a bow stance, the legs are braced against each other, and both feet are relying on friction to keep from sliding out from under you.
oragami_itto wrote:
Just to clarify, and because I was confused as well, the words aren't Liang's, they're Huang Renliang's. The photo is of his teacher that introduced the concept to him.
I defer to the much greater skill of Doc and Damon, but it occurs to me that if you're following the method described it's pretty much impossible to be double weighted. It actually directly addresses the usual hand waving around the trouble of even weight during transitions.
co-lee wrote:oragami_itto wrote:
Just to clarify, and because I was confused as well, the words aren't Liang's, they're Huang Renliang's. The photo is of his teacher that introduced the concept to him.
Liang puts the quote marks around "under the feet has to be stable, so it has a root". Those look like Zhang Yu's words. But then Liang appears to add "the root is created down to the ground, not by a horizontal force pushing upward". And that sentence appears to be his own. (as well as being self-contradictory).
On reading again, I guess I see what you're saying: the whole passage is from something Huang wrote and the "feet stable, root" part is from Huang's teacher Zhang. And who knows whether the confusion is from translation or from Huang trying to sound all scientific...
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