oragami_itto wrote:I dunno. In push hands every wing Chun player I've worked with seems to treat it solely as a bridging exercise. All they are interested in is moving your hands out of the way so they can get a clear strike.
marvin8 wrote:oragami_itto wrote:I dunno. In push hands every wing Chun player I've worked with seems to treat it solely as a bridging exercise. All they are interested in is moving your hands out of the way so they can get a clear strike.
Yes, that is a difference per Stephen's instructor, Sifu Hung Le. I believe Stephen is saying there are differences, but also commonalities (e.g., circles, lines).
At 7:51, Sifu Hung Le says, "In Wing Chun, you have to use at least 2 movements. In Tai Chi, I step here and expand already." I was explaining similar movements and timing in this thread.
Past RSF thread, "Interview with Sifu Hung Le on Tai Chi as a fighting system:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOJE1zVfPw
C.J.W. wrote:I find it interesting how most martial artists tend to focus on the similarities between various arts rather than the differences.
IMO, similarities are easy to find because if you look at fighting arts in general terms, there are ALWAYS similarities -- especially when basic laws of Physics such as mass x acceleration are thrown into the mix.
I'm personally much more impressed by those who can explain and demonstrate the subtle differences between the arts.
oragami_itto wrote:Okay so I'm watching a bit more here and I think I take issue with his central thesis in re the similarities. Around 2:30 he sums it up as "with both of them you're exploring mass and acceleration" and around 1:45 he says with push hands you want to focus on mass.
This seems incorrect to me, but I struggle to find the words to express exactly how. We weigh and measure and transform forces, not masses, though they are related as the products of mass and movement.
Doc Stier wrote:A fair and accurate comparison of the similarities and differences between any two martial arts, imo, requires the demonstration and explanation of each art at a very high skill level, both externally and internally. It would be interesting and informative to see additional video comparisons of these two styles featuring other notable teachers as well.
Bao wrote:Doc Stier wrote:A fair and accurate comparison of the similarities and differences between any two martial arts, imo, requires the demonstration and explanation of each art at a very high skill level, both externally and internally. It would be interesting and informative to see additional video comparisons of these two styles featuring other notable teachers as well.
Agreed and very well said.
Now let me translate your eloquent words for you into a reader’s digest kind of version:
The video suck immensely. There’s no Tai Chi evident whatsoever.
Before being able to show any kind of similarities or differences, you need to actually understand what you are talking about.
And let me add this to emphasize the meaning of the words:
WTF!!!???
Doc Stier wrote:C'mon, Bao! Don't be shy. Just tell us the unvarnished truth as you see it. Lol
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