Formosa Neijia wrote:Sal,
Looking at Ho's performance shows a lot of moves where he's still holding back. Compare that to the performance of my teacher below and you'll see a fuller expression of those moves. I wanted also to share this because Zhou laoshi was adamant that Chen style was not only directly connected to northern shaolin, he actually considered Chen style to be the highest form of it, which dovetails nicely with the conclusions that Sal drew years ago about taiji, etc. being drawn directly from shaolin.
Please note that Zhou laoshi also had extensive training in northern praying mantis, long fist, huleijia taiji, and some bajiquan. His Chen comes from Wang Meng-bi, a fellow student of Chen Fa-ke.
Here's the only footage of Wang Meng-bi I've seen with Du.
Urs Krebs wrote:Again, i mentioned it in other threads: comparing Du Yuze's Chen Style with mainland versions is missleading. Du Yuze learned first from Chen Yanxi but later from Chen Mingbiao (small frame). From my point of view, Du Yuze's Chen Style is heavily influenced from the small frame. It's visible when you compare the video in the original post for example with Chen Boxiang's (from the village) small frame:
https://youtu.be/iUs-rTOuBHQ
That being said,it is not meant in a bad way. Chen Style in Taiwan just took a bit another direction as there were only a few masters brought it to Taiwan and their background was giving the direction of the further evolution on the island.
salcanzonieri wrote:This is typical Chen FaKe derived small frame, much different:
salcanzonieri wrote:if there is not really a Small Frame, then we are again leading to the conclusion that Chen YanXi's Lao Jia SHOULD look like Small Frame, because that's all there really is.
salcanzonieri wrote:The second video, I posted and should have said INFLUENCED by the silk reeling movements found in Chen FaKe's lineages.
Because way too often you see people using the flying squid hands to look cool or something to show that they can do silk reeling in their movements, even if their lineage is not related to Chen FaKe's. I have all that squickly churning that just looks goofy and impractical for self defense, even some Yang people are doing it, ugh. so ugh.
Bob wrote:Unfortunately we are stuck explaining why Wang Meng Bi referred to the Chen taijiquan he learned from Chen Fake as xiao jia - Did he misrepresent what he was taught?
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