CheapBastid wrote:
The first is referenced several places, mainly well referenced here: http://www.ycgf.org/Articles/TJ_DaShouGe/arti_TJ_DaShouGe.html.
The second I am told was from Benjamin Pang Jeng Lo's translation of an original version of 郑曼青 Cheng Man-ch'ing first book in Chinese.
Anyone have a clearer idea of which order is more 'correct'?
does the order matter
origami_itto wrote:"Essence and Applications of Taijiquan", ghost written by Cheng Man Ching
CheapBastid wrote:does the order matter
It does if one wants to have a wall-hanging of the characters, or if one has a 'friendship' card with the characters on it....
To be clearer: I had the 1st order and was chided, so I had a second card printed with the 2nd order. I've since kept both in my pocket so I can confuse those who choose to criticize, but I've recently heard of a 3rd party who ranted and raved when seeing one of the cards when I wasn't there so I thought I'd dig deeper.
粘黏連隨
[4] STICK, ADHERE, CONNECT / JOIN, AND FOLLOW
粘者提上拔髙之謂也
黏者留戀繾綣之謂也
連者舍己無離之謂也
隨者彼走此應之謂也
要知人之知覺運動非明粘黏連隨不可斯粘黏連隨之功夫亦甚細矣
Sticking means to lift up high.
Adhering means to stay and be attached.
Connecting means to let go of yourself and not separate from the opponent.
Following means to follow him wherever he goes.
If you want to move with awareness and yet you do not understand sticking, adhering, connecting, and following, it will be beyond your reach, for it is a very subtle skill.
windwalker wrote:There is this example
Tigger warning: watch at your own risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaMliUGuJA&t=7s粘黏連隨
[4] STICK, ADHERE, CONNECT / JOIN, AND FOLLOW
粘者提上拔髙之謂也
黏者留戀繾綣之謂也
連者舍己無離之謂也
隨者彼走此應之謂也
要知人之知覺運動非明粘黏連隨不可斯粘黏連隨之功夫亦甚細矣
Sticking means to lift up high.
Adhering means to stay and be attached.
Connecting means to let go of yourself and not separate from the opponent.
Following means to follow him wherever he goes.
If you want to move with awareness and yet you do not understand sticking, adhering, connecting, and following, it will be beyond your reach, for it is a very subtle skill.
https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... i-fa-shuo/
Another example of .stick, adhere , join, follow
origami_itto wrote:Okay I DID find it on page 103 of Yang Chengfu's "Essence and Applications of Taijiquan", ghost written by Cheng Man Ching, and in that he states that the postures peng, lu, ji, and an are, respectively, stick, join, adhere, and follow.
Honestly I think that's a bunch of caca, but who am I to argue with Yang Chengfu and Cheng Man Ching, they're dead, boring conversationalists.
The other listing is more accurate IMHO.
Steve James wrote:What do y'all think of his explanation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuN3v7Ic2c
Steve James wrote:I agree with Doc Stier's description zhan, nian, lian, sui in application. I also agree with YCF's description. They're the same. How about the hua, na, da, fa formula? It not that "hua" = "zhan" = simply the posture "peng." But, peng is not lu. To accomplish "hua," one needs to "zhan" and "peng" is where that starts, no? Anyway, my point is that neither YCF nor CMC would make simple equations between postures and concepts.
marvin8 wrote:In BJ Penn vs Lyoto Machida, Machida:
1. controls distance with push/pull footwork, then circles left luring (yin) Penn to turn and follow (control/na) 2. hand fights and listens (ting) for Penn to weight the back foot 3. neutralizes (hua) incoming force by issuing (fa) foot sweep and pulling down:
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