Bob wrote:Without adequate measures of validity and reliability your cited scale is worthless for making assessments of whether one is or is not a racist - we are not talking about other models - validity and reliability would also to apply to those also - you are doing a bait and switch - if one doesn't buy into the scale you posted then they are indifferent? Erroneous conclusion of those who don't understand statistical measurement and models.
Steve James wrote::) How about a scale of bigotry instead of racism? I know too many people who just love having "other" girlfriends, but are prejudiced af against those same groups. It's a bit like being on the down low. There are people who'll say it's unnatural. Remember ol' Strom Thurmond? Anyhow, the US is peculiar.
But, put it like this, it didn't matter to Jews whether all Germans were Nazis or not. It only mattered how many Germans would help them escape. It'll always come down to a choice, not a prejudice. I'd have wanted to be someone who'd help them. Imo, most people are like that.
Personally, no one can help me as a Black person, only as a human being. And I can only promise that I feel that way about other humans. One can help individuals, not "races."
origami_itto wrote:
Like a REALLY pretty woman, they assume everybody gets treated as well as them.
Steve James wrote:Just because there's racism doesn't mean that "race" exists. Well, for example, if I gave "White" students lower grades out of spite or prejudice, that'd be racist. Or if I were a landlord, I could raise the rent on my Asian or Hispanic tenants, etc. Racism is a cause with an effect. Right. Somebody just not liking me because of my skin color is irrelevant to me. Only the decisions that person makes that affects me concerns me.
But, I don't believe that we eliminate prejudice. It's more that some prejudices are just stupid. I think the idea of "mixed race" is silly. Like I said, a child is the same race as their parents.
Steve James wrote:no one can help me as a Black person, only as a human being. And I can only promise that I feel that way about other humans. One can help individuals, not "races."
origami_itto wrote:do you think this is a statistical model?
Dmitri wrote:Steve James wrote:no one can help me as a Black person, only as a human being. And I can only promise that I feel that way about other humans. One can help individuals, not "races."
^^ this.
origami_itto wrote:do you think this is a statistical model?
That meme doesn't deserve the word "model", because that might presume there's some science behind it. There isn't; there's only emotion and misplaced sense of social (in)justice.
Race-associated differences in health outcomes are routinely documented in this country, yet for the most part they remain poorly
explained. Indeed, rather than vigorously exploring the basis of the differences, many scientists either adjust for race or restrict their
studies to one racial group.1 Ignoring the etiologic clues embedded in group differences
impedes the advance of scientific knowledge,
limits efforts at primary prevention, and perpetuates ideas of biologically determined differences between the races.
The variable race is only a rough proxy
for socioeconomic status, culture, and genes,
but it precisely captures the social classification
of people in a race-conscious society such as
the United States. The race noted on a health
form is the same race noted by a sales clerk, a
police officer, or a judge, and this racial classification has a profound impact on daily life
experience in this country. That is, the variable
“race” is not a biological construct that reflects
innate differences, but a social construct that
precisely captures the impacts of racism.
For this reason, some investigators now
hypothesize that race-associated differences in
health outcomes are in fact due to the effects of
racism. In light of the Department of Health
and Human Services’ Initiative to Eliminate
Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Health by the
Year 2010, it is important to be able to examine the potential effects of racism in causing
race-associated differences in health outcomes
Steve James wrote:Um, I wonder if there's another Black person in this conversation. Clearly, I can't speak for a race; but, I've been Black in the US for 70 years, and have taught American studies for 30 years. I was at Harvard when Derrick Bell began talking about Critical Race Theory, and Stephen Jay Gould was teaching about the history of anthropology. My diss adviser was Henry Louis Gates, probably the most prominent African-Americanist in the US. I don't need a lecture on the Black experience in any sense, but I'll only argue about it with other Black people.
Ime, only "White" people pat themselves on the back for not being racist/prejudiced against "Black" people. They don't get congratulations from me. I don't want someone to feel sorry for "my" condition because I'm Black. Btw, I've written here for over a decade, and have always said there's no such thing as "race" (the way Americans here mean it). But, there's always someone who'll find an article or video on the internet that points to the differences between races. So, I don't try to persuade anyone who wants to believe in it. Usually, the belief is so important to that person's identity that they feel offended if it's questioned. And, no, I don't want to be equal.
So, I talk about White and Black people just to make it easier to discuss. Anyway, fwiw, the people I admire most are the White people who stood up and suffered for being against segregation. Who risked their lives to get on buses going to places in Mississippi -I still won't go- and ended up shot and buried in ditches. They were heroes because they didn't have to be. But, I'd never ask anyone to do that for me. I can defend myself.
Yeah, I experience some racial inconveniences almost every day. If "you" have any assumptions about a Black person, because they are Black, that's totally on "you." I do have concerned about the inadequacies of health care for Black people in the US, as well as the issues in the educational system, and in the legal system (which generated CRT in the first place). We know that things aren't always fair.
Here's the thing, though. I lived in Europe for a while. The first time a "White" woman walked up to me and actually asked me a question was in 80s Germany. Well, there's an entire history there that goes back to WW1, and why there were so many expats. Living there taught me that "White people" was a meaningless term there. Look at Russia v Ukraine. Sure, "people like to be around their own kind," "people are naturally violent toward others," those are familiar arguments in the US.
Imo, there are just too many "White" people in the US who aren't doing well, but think they're supposed to be doing better because they're "White." But, the educational, economic, medical, and legal systems always compare Whites to Blacks. "Who's doing better?" Did you ever think of why those comparisons are important? Doesn't everyone know that the statistics for Indigenous people are far worse than for Black Americans?
Don't get me wrong. Fight against injustice. Wherever you find it. And, let me clarify. There's nothing anyone can do for me as a Black man that they couldn't (or shouldn't) have done if I weren't. That's all I, and most of the people I know, want. But, I can only speak for myself.
But, the educational, economic, medical, and legal systems always compare Whites to Blacks. "Who's doing better?" Did you ever think of why those comparisons are important? Doesn't everyone know that the statistics for Indigenous people are far worse than for Black Americans?
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