Appledog wrote:I think so. Apparently Yang Lu-Chan had classmates, remember? Maybe ask one of them.
My personal speculation is that Yang Lu-Chan kept his promise not to reveal the secrets of the Chen family. Everything about the Yang method vs the Chen method seems to me as if the entire middle section of how to get from A to B was simply removed.
If you know it's there, then you are in the game, and you can see it. If you don't know it's there it looks and feels, acts, and is trained, as if it wasn't there. There's just so much left unsaid in the Yang method and which is done through "do this and feel what happens". For example recently someone in another thread said something like "You can't try... you cna only (give up)". Of course this is both correct and incorrect. if you don't know what you need to try to do then it feels like you need to give up. The truth is there's a method, but it is just not taught outside of the door.
The problem with complaining about this (as a Yang stylist) is that frankly there is so much crossover knowledge and input from other styles today that did not exist 100 years ago that it's not really necessary to keep these kinds of secrets anymore. Purists may disagree but it's like watching that "Primitive Technology" youtube channel. Yeah, we get it, now please buy a lighter, it's okay to move foreward.
Yang Style Tai Chi is at least 60 years out of date right now
in the game or not ?
Much of CMA could be said to be "not in the game
, out of date" historical artifacts, maintaining a cultural significance from when they were developed for those within
the culture, an interesting practice for those outside of it.
The usefulness outside of the history so far yet to be established in professional fighting sport venues of today,
some use as a gauge of relevance, efficacy.
One could argue, "yang's" method produced some skilled practitioners....
Does what is called "yangjia michuan" have the same history outside of Zhang Qinlin..
I practiced by myself in the park. One day two men5 came and watched. Afterward, they said, "We have seen a lot of taiji, but we haven't seen anything like what you are doing. What is this?" they asked.
I didn't dare say that this was called theYangjia Michuan (hidden or secret) form. I said it was the Yang style.
They said, "It doesn't look like the Yang style.
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"Well," I said, "It is the old Yang style."
Do agree both accounts are probably true trying to explain or support
viewpoints arising from differences in practices...
The "Yang" family among other martial families are very careful regarding official representatives of their practices.
One might ask if what they practice is really "Yang's" style or not if they'er not affiliated with any of the family organizations.
Does it matter ?
Outside of the skill sets, attributed to the old masters...it may not...