Yang master
this cat is maybe not going to kill this bird
this cat would probably kill this bird
but humans aren't cats...
Yang master
everything wrote:
just levels and levels and levels of stupidity
Bao wrote:From a Taijiquan perspective there’s no “try”. You receive what receive, you adapt to what is happening. Looking back at things, I am happy I had a calm, non/aggressive mindset. I’ve been in a few fights when I was young, but I never had any impulse or wish to hurt someone. Mostly I just threw people around until they got tired and quit. So I have never gone to court or to a hospital after any of those times. A couple of youngsters tried to sue me for assault and beating them up. But as they had no visible marks this was dismissed.
However, if you are calm and don’t respond to aggression any fight will mostly go away before it turns physical.
So you shouldn’t really have the mindset of “fighting” or think about how you should hurt people. That’s not a healthy attitude.
BTW, Wayne is probably correct.
Appledog wrote:Intent to attack or intent to defend? Intent to harmonize or intent to harm? I think some forms of kung fu have what is called the principle of "cruelty", and some do not. Is MMA the same way?
windwalker wrote:both not living in the US, maybe its different.
My uncle in a was shot and killed fighting back as he was being robbed..some 5yrs back.
If he didn't fight, probably would have been shot anyway..
windwalker wrote:If one is in a fight,,,they should be fighting
not thinking about mindset, perspective , or being one with the universe...
origami_itto wrote:The way I see it, and I'm sure it's wrong, is that the (for lack of a better term) "posture" of the "heart/xin" informs the "intention/yi". Effectively, we engage with a "heart intention", to harm or protect or dominate, whatever, then the "mind intention" forms the shape the Qi causes the jin to express. At a certain point this is automatic, there is no consciously directing it.
So the state/disposition/posture of our heart controls what sort of response comes out, or HOW, specifically, we adapt to what we receive.
So you have one Yang master who, when surprised by a rude and aggressive attacker, gently repelled him with a chuckle, while another instantly murdered the man.
Bao wrote:I remember you told me that. I am sorry.
Maybe I didn't explain myself very well. If you live in a violent area, you need to take precautions and be prepared, no doubt about that. Thinking about violence and keep it in your heart is a different thing.windwalker wrote:If one is in a fight,,,they should be fighting
not thinking about mindset, perspective , or being one with the universe...
Kind of agree. However, when there's real aggression theirs is psychology involved. The Samurai adapted the Chinese "no-heart/mind" or wu xin (mushin), when they faced a situation they didn't "try" anything or think about what to do. They were taught to empty the mind, keep it totally blank so they would be able to respond spontaneously without thinking and without any kind of mental or emotional hinderance. So the right mindset is what will able you to fight, lack of understanding of how to control your mind could get you killed.
Ng Yim Ming would teach me a move, then send me out in the streets to fight.
If I lost I would have to train twice as hard, so I learned not to lose.
I would join a kung fu school only to defeat it's teacher, then collect twice my money back to leave.
Ng Yim Ming said Hop Gar was a fighting art and must be learned by fighting.
origami_itto wrote:The way I see it, and I'm sure it's wrong, is that the (for lack of a better term) "posture" of the "heart/xin" informs the "intention/yi". Effectively, we engage with a "heart intention", to harm or protect or dominate, whatever, then the "mind intention" forms the shape the Qi causes the jin to express. At a certain point this is automatic, there is no consciously directing it.
So the state/disposition/posture of our heart controls what sort of response comes out, or HOW, specifically, we adapt to what we receive.
So you have one Yang master who, when surprised by a rude and aggressive attacker, gently repelled him with a chuckle, while another instantly murdered the man.
origami_itto wrote:Bao wrote:From a Taijiquan perspective there’s no “try”. You receive what receive, you adapt to what is happening. Looking back at things, I am happy I had a calm, non/aggressive mindset. I’ve been in a few fights when I was young, but I never had any impulse or wish to hurt someone. Mostly I just threw people around until they got tired and quit. So I have never gone to court or to a hospital after any of those times. A couple of youngsters tried to sue me for assault and beating them up. But as they had no visible marks this was dismissed.
However, if you are calm and don’t respond to aggression any fight will mostly go away before it turns physical.
So you shouldn’t really have the mindset of “fighting” or think about how you should hurt people. That’s not a healthy attitude.
BTW, Wayne is probably correct.
The way I see it, and I'm sure it's wrong, is that the (for lack of a better term) "posture" of the "heart/xin" informs the "intention/yi". Effectively, we engage with a "heart intention", to harm or protect or dominate, whatever, then the "mind intention" forms the shape the Qi causes the jin to express. At a certain point this is automatic, there is no consciously directing it.
So the state/disposition/posture of our heart controls what sort of response comes out, or HOW, specifically, we adapt to what we receive.
So you have one Yang master who, when surprised by a rude and aggressive attacker, gently repelled him with a chuckle, while another instantly murdered the man.
everything wrote:the necessary freedom inside to abstain from unwise choices
1. i don't believe that to be true whatsoever (yeah yeah war torn country)
2. even if it's true, there's your first "self defense" lesson to work on.
3. in any case, that shouldn't apply to "mma fighter" and "airman" in "Florida" (well except for the 10x level of stupidity of "Florida Man")
just levels and levels and levels of stupidity
windwalker wrote:everything wrote:
just levels and levels and levels of stupidity
Hello
The post wasn't about whether to fight or not....a question as to what one should be doing "in a fight"
one can argue about the levels should one be able to after the encounter...Bao wrote:From a Taijiquan perspective there’s no “try”. You receive what receive, you adapt to what is happening. Looking back at things, I am happy I had a calm, non/aggressive mindset. I’ve been in a few fights when I was young, but I never had any impulse or wish to hurt someone. Mostly I just threw people around until they got tired and quit. So I have never gone to court or to a hospital after any of those times. A couple of youngsters tried to sue me for assault and beating them up. But as they had no visible marks this was dismissed.
However, if you are calm and don’t respond to aggression any fight will mostly go away before it turns physical.
So you shouldn’t really have the mindset of “fighting” or think about how you should hurt people. That’s not a healthy attitude.
BTW, Wayne is probably correct.
Wouldn't agree with Wayne or you ..
both not living in the US, maybe its different.
My uncle in a was shot and killed fighting back as he was being robbed..some 5yrs back.
If he didn't fight, probably would have been shot anyway..
In Taiwan some carry small baseball bats....
saw a group of people going to town on someones car late at night...with their bats...
the car lost..
the OP
"what are you trying to do in a fight ?"
If one is in a fight,,,they should be fighting
not thinking about mindset, perspective , or being one with the universe...
Or levels of stupidity
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