Doc Stier wrote:Subtraction, not addition, is crucial for real skill development, imo.
Bao wrote:the spear was probably yang luchans only ”deeper” weapon knowlede.
Dao and later Jian was added, probably after he left the royal court
YLC was born in 1799. When he was young, people still carried with them weapons and used them for defense. The jian was standard knowledge for anyone in his position and he carried it with him on missions. It’s true though that the dao was added later. The broadsword doesn’t need any “deeper” knowledge. It was more of a battlefield weapon, too clumsy to carry with you all of the time, and too clumsy to be used everywhere. People preferred to rely on the jian as it can be used in small spaces and even indoors.
Trick wrote:sorry going off topic - but, ”missions”? Sounds exciting storys i never heard before about.
Maybe youre thinking about Yang “the invincible”....Ye - YangYe ?
Bao wrote:the spear was probably yang luchans only ”deeper” weapon knowlede.
Dao and later Jian was added, probably after he left the royal court
YLC was born in 1799. When he was young, people still carried with them weapons and used them for defense. The jian was standard knowledge for anyone in his position and he carried it with him on missions. It’s true though that the dao was added later. The broadsword doesn’t need any “deeper” knowledge. It was more of a battlefield weapon, too clumsy to carry with you all of the time, and too clumsy to be used everywhere. People preferred to rely on the jian as it can be used in small spaces and even indoors.
Bao wrote:That Yang Luchan, people in the Chen clan and other Tai Chi masters worked as bodyguards is mentioned in several old classical Tai Chi books.
Example from Taiji Boxing explained by Dong Yingjie:
”In the western part of Beijing, there was a rich man whose mansion was like a whole town and people nicknamed it “the mini-prefecture of Zhang’s house”. He was a huge fan of martial arts, keeping more than thirty bodyguards in his home. So when he heard of the famous practitioner Yang Luchan of Guangping Prefecture, he sent his friend Wu Luching to go invite him to the mansion.”
GrahamB wrote:I think TwoCircles is correct- Jian was not used by people for body guarding in the Ching, or on the battlefield much after the Yuan.
https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/28168
The Dao filled its role as a close combat weapon.
I don't want to shatter any closely held beliefs about bagua palm-circling bandit-fighting, spear wielding kung fu masters from wuxia novels, but firearms were widely used by caravan guards, obviously. Why wouldn't they be?
Ching Dynasty caravan guards:
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