For those looking for something they like to see in others.
Why not be the example that one is looking for...
Isn't that what you do? Who talks about things they don't do?
Anyway, that last vid of masters pushing is interesting. Who won?
For those looking for something they like to see in others.
Why not be the example that one is looking for...
Steve James wrote:For those looking for something they like to see in others.
Why not be the example that one is looking for...
Isn't that what you do? Who talks about things they don't do?
Anyway, that last vid of masters pushing is interesting. Who won?
This is a push hands competition from 1992showing some of the biggest names in mainland taiji all competing against one another. They are all grandmasters.
First bout: Li En-jiu vs. unknown. Li is a Chen stylist that studied under Hong Jun-sheng.
Second: Wei Shu-ren vs. Men hui-feng.
Wei is a Yang stylist known for advocating the "no force" perspective.
Men is THE top wushu teacher in China , a leading proponent of wushu taiji, practices everything under the sun, and was awarded the first 10 duan rank by the Chinese government.
Yes I know, no one's ever heard of him. He's unknown in the West.
Third bout: Li Bing-ci vs. Lin Mo-gen. Li is a Wu stylist. Lin was a top student of Li Ya-xuan (a disciple of YCF).
Fourth bout: Liu Cheng-de vs. unknown. Liu is a Chen stylist again from the Hong lineage and is in one of my favorite push hands clips.
Fifth bout: Xin Yu-he vs. Men Hui-feng. I know nothing about Xin. Maybe someone can fill me in.
Didn't look at it as "winning" see it as a demo of contrasting methods, expression of ones practice.
Wei Shu-ren student of Wang Yongquan,,,
Look at it differently..
competition is good on many levels as long as those competeting understand what its about..."winning"
Don't know of any competitor who enters an event, not thinking about overcoming the other opponent.
Of those I've met all say it's not about winning but, in the end it is....unless the skill level is so different
it makes or forces the other to acknowledge, certain truths, ie do not use force.
Understand what emptiness is and means. ect..
wayne hansen wrote:If they are not trying to win why is there so much use of awkward strength
After dinner Zheng Manqing
demonstrated his form and asked Zhang Qinlin to do likewise. Zheng watched and saw Zhang do the 81-Step and thought, "Nothing special." Zheng Manqing then asked Zhang Laoshi to push hands with him.
Zhang Laoshi looked at Zhang Zhijiang and OId Man Pu" with a questioning expression. Zhang then said to Zheng Manqing, "Do you really want to push hands with me?" Zheng replied, "Yes." After making sure everyone agreed, Zhang Laoshi consented.
Zhang Laoshi was just deflecting right, deflecting left. He then made a Ji, and Zheng Manqing flew - over the table and into the wall, which almost fell over." Pu bingru (who was laughing while telling the story) said that the impact left a hole in the wall, and Zheng Manqing, after crashing into the wall, slumped to the ground.
Everyone ran over, picked him up while asking if he was okay. Zheng stood up (a little shaken but not hurt - the outcome was not what he had anticipated) then went to his knees and said to Zhang Laoshi, You must take me as your student."
In general the higher the level the less outer movement often confusing those who watch
Bao wrote:Competition PH practice and developing traditional Tai Chi skills belong to two different worlds. You can't really put down one foot in one of them and the other foot in the other. You would need to spend all of your available time and all your focus to become good at one of them. If you want to translate one type of skill into the context of the other, you need to focus on one first and become really good at what you are doing. If you try to mix things up before you have a solid foundation in what you are doing, all your time and effort spent would just lead to half-assed results.
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Bao wrote:...
The biggest problem as I see it, speaking about PH wrestling competitions, is that most of participants haven't studied Tai Chi long enough, so they haven't been able to internalize tai chi principles. If they even understand them. People who have practiced tai chi for a longer time have mostly already lost interest in competing. And most of those who are interested in competing, practice competition PH solely for the reason of competition. Then there's not even the correct mindset to even begin internalizing "real Tai Chi". They spend their time on practicing competition techniques, and no time on practicing and perfecting the subtle principles and methods that would lead to real Tai Chi skill.
Competition PH practice and developing traditional Tai Chi skills belong to two different worlds. You can't really put down one foot in one of them and the other foot in the other. You would need to spend all of your available time and all your focus to become good at one of them. If you want to translate one type of skill into the context of the other, you need to focus on one first and become really good at what you are doing. If you try to mix things up before you have a solid foundation in what you are doing, all your time and effort spent would just lead to half-assed results.
BruceP wrote:[
It is possible to work with unbridled competitive aggression while exploring tjq's internal method. It's actually quite easy.
Change the format so that each player is working from a point of failure and their only means of applying their tjq is by first learning it as a recovery method. It starts with both being in compromised positions, and they very carefully, sneakily, and usually with the lightness of great trepidation, work their way toward equilibrium. From the perspective of where they're starting, just gaining equilibrium looks pretty good.
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