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BruceP wrote:
'Street fight' can occur in so many different forms of conflict, though, and it's something that should be explored beyond styles or notions of circumstance. Coming to someone's aid or protecting a loved one/family member might be something that can't be avoided, and one's proactive/aggressive actions would most likely preclude any concerns one might normally have regarding liability.
BruceP wrote:'Street fight' can occur in so many different forms of conflict,
Steve James wrote:You learn to fight by getting hit and thrown and learning you won't die. But, it's not healthy to get hit and thrown all your life practicing for some imagined encounter -where a weapon would probably be more useful.
origami_itto wrote:BruceP wrote:
'Street fight' can occur in so many different forms of conflict, though, and it's something that should be explored beyond styles or notions of circumstance. Coming to someone's aid or protecting a loved one/family member might be something that can't be avoided, and one's proactive/aggressive actions would most likely preclude any concerns one might normally have regarding liability.
A 70 year old woman was just sentenced to a couple decades in prison for going overboard defending her son.
When I worked a bar downtown around target center and first avenue they warned us about liability up front. I did a personal bodyguard detail for Cedric the entertainer at a Kappa Alpha party, ejected a DA, told some NBA player he couldn't get in with those sneakers, shit like that.
You can't just max damage every situation. Self defense and sport fighting is a completely different game. You can get a couple tools from sport but honestly you're developing more bad habits than helpful ones if peace is the goal.
In professional security somebody might be having a bad day and a bit too much booze, and you've got to not just protect yourself, but also them, and bystanders, and property, and limit liability. It's not just about superior destructive force.
Trick wrote:origami_itto wrote:BruceP wrote:
'Street fight' can occur in so many different forms of conflict, though, and it's something that should be explored beyond styles or notions of circumstance. Coming to someone's aid or protecting a loved one/family member might be something that can't be avoided, and one's proactive/aggressive actions would most likely preclude any concerns one might normally have regarding liability.
A 70 year old woman was just sentenced to a couple decades in prison for going overboard defending her son.
When I worked a bar downtown around target center and first avenue they warned us about liability up front. I did a personal bodyguard detail for Cedric the entertainer at a Kappa Alpha party, ejected a DA, told some NBA player he couldn't get in with those sneakers, shit like that.
You can't just max damage every situation. Self defense and sport fighting is a completely different game. You can get a couple tools from sport but honestly you're developing more bad habits than helpful ones if peace is the goal.
In professional security somebody might be having a bad day and a bit too much booze, and you've got to not just protect yourself, but also them, and bystanders, and property, and limit liability. It's not just about superior destructive force.
Often it’s people engaged in sport fighting and/or thugs in their own rights that do the Bar-door thing…..
johnwang wrote:BruceP wrote:'Street fight' can occur in so many different forms of conflict,
I still prefer to talk about sport fight than street fight for the following reasons.
- You can have sport fight tomorrow if you want to. You can't have street fight anytime you want.
- You can have fun in sport fight. You won't have fun in street fight.
- You won't have legal issue in sport fight. You may have legal issue in street fight.
- Less chance to get hurt in sport fight than in street fight.
- In sport fight, you don't have to talk about self-defense, de-escalation, run away, ...
- To attack first is normal in sport fight.
- ...
BruceP wrote:But you must have trained at least a couple of people whose personal lifestyle or profession/vocation involved the probability of their having to defend themselves or others. If not that, then the odd or rare likelihood that their personal situation/lifestyle/locale/other presented enough of a risk that they felt it worth their time to explore how to overcome a breakdown of avoid-evade-escape strategies. But any discussion of that is best left in the training hall
johnwang wrote:A good soldier is a soldier who has blood on his hands (he has killed enemy before). It's very hard to apply the same requirement on a MA person. If we can't really talk about street fight, why not just talk about sport fight?
A: How many people have you killed in the street so far?
B: I can't tell you that.
A: How many tournaments have you won so far?
B: I have won ...
D_Glenn wrote:Someone who has never been in a fight, might think that you’re a violent sociopath by just describing one fight.
johnwang wrote:D_Glenn wrote:
Teacher B is the kind of teacher that I like.
A: Dear teacher! Do you teach self-defense in your school?
B: I don't teach self-defense. I teach how you force your opponent to defense himself.
wayne hansen wrote:The best thing I did in teaching was get people out of those professions
Not a smart way to spend your life
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