johnwang wrote:Because I have not met any Taiji master who are willing to admit there are something missing in the Taiji system. Some enhancement will be needed for the Taiji system to be combat effective:
johnwang wrote:- There should be some training beyond push hand.
johnwang wrote:- Grabbing should be added to disallow your opponent to have freedom of "change".
johnwang wrote:- Leg moves and contact point concept should be included instead of just "push at the center" and allow your opponent to have freedom on his legs.
johnwang wrote:- Giving force so you can borrow your opponent's resist or yield.
johnwang wrote:- Don't be afraid to let your opponent to feel you. His feeling can trigger his action, and his action can trigger you to borrow his force.
johnwang wrote:- Finish moves training should be emphasized.
johnwang wrote:- Yang should be treated as important as Yin.
D_Glenn wrote:When you are walking down a flight of stairs in the dark and you're positive you're at the last step and will be stepping onto solid ground, you find out you miscalculated and there's one more step, feeling like you almost kill yourself as spine, hips, knees, shoulders etc literally go all over.
Taiji is, through it's clever strategy and body method, the skill of recreating that same situation in the opponent.
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bruce wrote:my point in this thread is to demonstrate that all the labels while useful for conversation and explaining ideas i think get in the way of the way an individual may use their skill or method. i think too much is invested in this is " xyz" style and we do this and dont do that etc etc.
it is a double edge sword and a fine line but i think freedom is important.
bruce wrote:i fully agree with these statements. for my practice i have been told i am not doing "tai chi chuan" for doing the very things you mention above in "push hand" practice. for me the definition of push hands is different than 99% of other tai chi chuan people though.
johnwang wrote:Walter Joyce wrote:after reading his posts for years now I have yet to see one that gave credit to any taiji master.
Because I have not met any Taiji master who are willing to admit there are something missing in the Taiji system. Some enhancement will be needed for the Taiji system to be combat effective:
- There should be some training beyond push hand.
- Grabbing should be added to disallow your opponent to have freedom of "change".
- Leg moves and contact point concept should be included instead of just "push at the center" and allow your opponent to have freedom on his legs.
- Giving force so you can borrow your opponent's resist or yield.
- Don't be afraid to let your opponent to feel you. His feeling can trigger his action, and his action can trigger you to borrow his force.
- Finish moves training should be emphasized.
- Yang should be treated as important as Yin.
This is JW and I support this message.
Andy_S wrote:RE: What is Taiji:
A question for the board. Sure there are some (I would consider it a tiny minority, far less than 1 percent of overall practitioners) who train martially,but these days, Taiji, on the whole, is not a viable martial system, and, indeed, is not taught as such.
Andy_S wrote:Question: Why and when did Taiji de-martialize?
Sophia Delza, learned in Shanghai in the 1930s, IIRC, and she was a dancer, with, AFAIK, no martial interest. Moreover, there are reports in the English Language Shanghai newspapers of CMA people performing acrobatic routines and nice forms, but not showing the fighting moves that Indian, Japanese and European martial artists (boxers, wrestlers, judoka) could and did.
Sayings about CMA ('tofu fist and embroidered feet' etc) make clear that many CMA systems were not for fighting, they were exercise or aesthetically based. But Taiji seems to be the worst effected,and clearly, this focus pre-dates communism in China.
If the mid-late 19th century masters were such masterly fighters, what made the literati take it up?
Bhassler wrote:Has anyone EVER changed their opinion about taiji AT ALL through one of these threads? I look through and I see the same people posting the same shit as in 50 other threads (myself included). Just out of curiosity, does anyone feel that they've actually learned anything significant or applicable about taiji via this thread? Any thread?
The last one I can think of is the Optimally Structured Sparring thread back on the original eF from a few years ago...
DeusTrismegistus wrote:
Taiji is a subset of skills within the larger framework of fighting. I will never recommend taiji to someone with no martial arts experience if they are looking to learn to fight or defend themselves. Quite simply the way it is usually taught, the students don't learn basic fighting skills. There are always exceptions, but your average taiji teacher you look up in the phone book won't be able to teach you how to fight, even if they think they could whip ken shamrock.
Bhassler wrote:Has anyone EVER changed their opinion about taiji AT ALL through one of these threads? I look through and I see the same people posting the same shit as in 50 other threads (myself included). Just out of curiosity, does anyone feel that they've actually learned anything significant or applicable about taiji via this thread? Any thread?
The last one I can think of is the Optimally Structured Sparring thread back on the original eF from a few years ago...
cdobe wrote:The other day you denied that you were trying to convert Taiji people.
Why grabbing the opponents jacket or wrist, when you can use the hand to knock him out or stab him with a spiked ring ? .
TaoJoannes wrote:I don't know who all I can speak for in this, but if the other guy runs away then the fight is over and I can get back to my life, you know. I don't need to hang on and finish it for any reason.
johnwang wrote:TaoJoannes wrote:I don't know who all I can speak for in this, but if the other guy runs away then the fight is over and I can get back to my life, you know. I don't need to hang on and finish it for any reason.
I wish your statement will hold if Bin Laden is jumping aroung GWB.
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